Incredible Exploits of Nothing
Created on: July 30th, 2006
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3 for nice try. But to all of you, why in hell would you want to know what created the universe or even us, when it was so goddamn long ago and we're going to die soon enough? honestly, anything having to do with how we or the universe started or will end always will end up to be completely redundant and useless.
The only good arguement that creationists have is what started everything, from the very beginning of the universe (Because nobody really knows). After that, science has made some very logical, rational, and believable explanations about evolution and natural selection. I think that millions of years of slowly adapting, reproducing and mutating over generations makes more sense then some otherworldly being just "creating" all the diverse things of the world.
And to respond to your statement: Yes Earth did get "lucky". During this short period of the planets history, we have all required building blocks of life. With the near infinite amount of planets out there, its more then reasonable to assume that every millionth one or so must, by chance, have the proper conditions for life.
@JohnKimble:
This is evolutionary biology. It deals with living things, and how they came to exist.
This is theoretical physics. It deals with the universe, and how it came to exist.
The theory of evolution does not purport to explain the origin of atoms. But given your limited grasp of even basic scientific concepts, I'm dubious about your ability to follow theoretical particle physics.
There's two major reasons so many people have a beef with ID. The first is that it's thinly veiled creatonism. Since the supreme court ruled that religion could not be taught in a state-funded school the most popular "Creationist Sciencebook" had all the references to god changed to "Intelligent Designer" (And in the Kansas city hearings they provided the next iteration of the book prepareing changing the Intelligent Designer references to something else in preparation for when ID is ruled to be religion.)
The second beef is that ID's entire basis is to try to disprove evolution and then claim that it must be correct without providing any evidence to prove itself. Allow me to give you an example. I have a delicious apple pie cooling on my window sill. I go out with some friends for a few hours and let the pie cool on my window sill. When I finally come home I go to my window sill, anticipating pie. Only to discover that my pie is gone. (Yes, there's still more coming.)
I have an alibi in the form of my fiends, proving I could not have eaten the pie. This therefore proves, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that Peterguy somehow discovered where I lived, drove or flew to my house, and ate my pie while I was away. This kind of thinking is exactly how ID works. A sane, rational person would not instantly assume Peterguy ate my pie. In court evidence that Peterguy ate my pie would have to be provided, because the fact that I didn't eat it doesn't prove that Peterguy ate it.
"AWESOME!! FINALLY someone dares to come out and show the idocacy of
evolution, which is just a theory after all." You're completely right. I mean, where do these evolutionists get off by trying to understand the origin of the universe through hours of painstaking exploration, observation, and rational analyzation? Complete idiocy, really! I much prefer to believe in some 200 year old supernatural, baseless and irrational legend!
Don't you think it's funny that when ppl proclaim things against God those whom believe in him don't pay attention. But if you proclaim something promoting God those that don't believe do every thing they can to discredit it? Seems those with a lack a faith have just that, a lack of faith in what they believe :)
Well, actually, ID has nothing to do with god. If it did it would be religion and couldn't be taught in public schools, just like creationism. The "Designer" just as easily be Krishna, The Flying Spagetti Monster, or Xenu. Of course, there's plenty of other more rational reasons to have a probem with ID. I doubt anyone would be making a big fuss about this if you weren't trying to have it taught in science classes.
"to be honest, regardless, the point is made well"
No. You make it seem as though This is "all by chance" and these things "tried" to become other things just one time. forget all of the zillions of opportunites that other organisms had to mutate and evolve. You need to get it into your head that this is fact, not BS. I mean, I'm an avid christian too, but I'm not about to refute scienctific evidence in order to fit life into my little closeminded box. Read a chemistry book once in awhile.you lose.
"Don't you think it's funny that when ppl proclaim things against God those
whom believe in him don't pay attention. But if you proclaim something
promoting God those that don't believe do every thing they can to discredit
it? Seems those with a lack a faith have just that, a lack of faith in
what they believe :)" O RLY? Then why does this YTMND exist? Isn't this paying attention to a scientific theory that proclaims things against God? Isn’t it trying to discredit such theory? Yeah, I thought so. You f
i'll let the pretending atoms and such have cognitive though slide because it was cute. however:
1. no winking jesus. if there was winking jesus i wouldn't care how hard you were trying to convert me.
2: proteins form on their own. no lightning needed.
3.forgetting to mention the part where religion killed people.
+1 for thinking atoms +1 for "no Ronald Mcdonald" +3 for side boob -5 for being silly -10 for no winking jesus and +3 for originality.
I'm curious. You say this happened all by chance, right? Yet, we exist, and we have seen through telescopes many other places in the universe. As far as we can tell, none of them have intelligent life. Even the most slim, 1 in a million chance is going to occur once every million times. How are you not sure that we aren't the millionth time?
Wow.
Began with 5 for cool music and a cute children's-book-like structure.
4 for bad grammar because you captizalized "He" everywhere.
3 when you screwed up the evolution track completely. (It's something closer to cells > fish > reptiles > diosaurs > birds, and birds aren't related to people)
2 because you made it like there are a lot more atheists than theists
The 1 is for turning a potentially beautiful history of Life story into an ugly mangled mess of religion.
Sorry.
Now it is such a bizarrely impossible coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God. The arguement goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," say Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so the
God is existence itself.
God is also Life, Truth, Righteousness, Light, Lord, ect!
That's why the universe could NOT have always existed. It's not logically possible for our universe to have always existed, hence why Scientists, even Atheists, are trying to figure out how it all started. It's just a really simple fact.
Inexistance is a tribute to death, destruction, hell, and a distortion of Truth.
God has nothing to do with inexistance. In fact, God hates inexistance.
Which side do you belong on? Do you favor the things of evil or good? After all, living a good life is boring. You don't get to do drugs, drink, be a playa, use bad language, or even act immature! I only say such things because I've always been told by people "If that's what being good is, I don't want to be good. I want to be evil."
I never found sence in believing something to be true simply becuase it states to be true. I mean Scientology states that it is true, do you believe it to be true? That my opinion however. Very well made site I think. But why can't over trillions and trillions of years, millions and millions of fortnate accidents happen? Well I guess if we can't understand or accept something it must be a magicial being that did it, no other possible solution. :\
err... +1'd. Sorry.
Now you just not making sence.
"Age is not the concern. It's the fact that these people lived during
ancient times and knew more than L. Ron Hubbard ever did."
So "Age" is the concern, but since these people lived in "ancient" (descriptor of a time era) makes them more knowledgable. Get this straight, Scientology is fake. Scientology is based on books that people have said are true. Christianity is based on books that people have said are true. They could both very easily be false.
First of all.. but.. creationism is a crackpot hypothesis. It's not even credible enough to /be/ a scientific theory. And, hmm. Ubernewb.. but I swear your a fake plant created to be a satire.. I mean what you say is just so.. typical. All religions had to start sometime. Christianity used to be a cult too, with a book written in people's recent life times. For all you know Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were just all really good fiction writers who wrote some gospels for a lark to see if anyone bought it.
With this being the 2nd time you claimed time doesn't matter, but yet immediately contradict yourself. As I stated before time does not matter. The Bible can't be more valuable then anything recent, because if both are true/false it remains true/false (for the time in which it was written). You know what I'm not even wasting anymore time on this. You believe what you want, aliens, angels, huge bearded magic men, whatever. I will be sitting over here in the non-crazy zone.
Wow this is inaccurate. Not only is your portrayal of evolution of the universe and life flawed in the YTMND, but your own additional arguments are a contradiction.
You basically state that God (the Christian one anyway) is exempt from having to be created because he is eternal, among other attributes of being God. Yet you state that if the same attributes are given to the universe, that it is eternal, that this is impossible because it is not God.
Essentially that these properties can only belong to God because these are desciriptors that can only be arbitrarily ascribed to God according to certain systems of belief. This is what you believe, but logically, it doesn't prove itself.
Furthermore any argument where the basic premise is "why not something else," is invalid. You present choices of God or Nothing. Why are these the only options. To say if not the universe, then anything is possible and thus the argument is invalid.
take your christian propaganda, and blow it out your ass. -39 for sponsoring your own ytmnd, and +1 for good music. THE FACT THAT THIS YTMND WAS SPONSORED BY IT'S CREATOR IS JUST MORE PROOF THAT THIS IS PROPAGANDA. WHO THE HELL HAS ENOUGH LOOSE CHANGE TO BLOW $176 ON THEIR OWN YTMND? ONLY REASON IT WAS SPONSORED IS TO KEEP IT ON THE FRONTPAGE. DUH. also, time is not what you purport it to be peterguy, time does not exist, we simply assume it does as our actions move in a linear format one after the other.
Unless of course, an arbitrary system of belief says that these are the only options.
But any philosophical system based on contradiction creates disastrous results in those who attempt to practice it. Most of your arguments are really very thin, flawed, and rely on ad hoc assumptions. Sorry to sound vitriolic, but it's important that people try to reason better than this site and its underlying message promote.
Knew the ending from the second slide. The whole keystone of the argument, of course, rests on the VERY questionable observation that a sentient being with the vast intelligence and magickal powers to mastermind and construct all of creation who "always was" is somehow less unlikely than all the chance that would otherwise need to go just right to lead to now. I f*cking hate you for reiterating the skewed logic I've heard so many times before.
The true miracles of life *are* those little coincidences that happen "just by chance," and not when God sticks his finger into our world. I really enjoyed this site, despite your ignorance and your over-excessive donation to your own crusade. You point out that evolutionists have an incredibly difficult time explaining the origin of 'Something.' While this is true, it is true for religious people as well.
One for being totally absurd. This is the type of propaganda that creationists feed to those who are too stupid to understand the way the natural universe works. A misrepresentation of abiogensis goes to show you how dishonest and sneaky people who claim to take the moral (religious) high ground can be. Christian interpretations of natural events such as this are educationally on par with Scientologist interpretations of natural events.
I'm totally for people voicing their own opinions about evolution, creation of the universe, ect., but this text makes some wrong assumsions about the theory of evolution, the big bang, ect. Who ever actually wrote this didn't do their research on the other theorys, and that only hurts their arguments. I respect your opinion 100%, but you can't make agrue against ASSUMPTIONS you've made about evolution. Frankly, the text seems to focus on taking down evolution, more than its arguments.
Think about it this way. Humans have 5 senses used to take in information, and a simple brain to analyze it. Imagine how much information we could take in with 1000 senses. A million, a billion? But even if we had 1 billion senses and a superior mind designed to analyze all that data.. all the information we would ever understand would likely be a mere grain of sand in a vast desert spanning many light years in size. WE'RE JUST DUMB ANIMALS, get over it. ;P
For a 'smart' person you're actually quite dumb. >_> You're right, a tiny change in climate/waterlevels/oxygen levels/temperate would stop any homosapien living here. But instead of humans there would have been a different evolutionary creature probably just as dumb as you and they'd say what if the world had been a little different. >_> Now go home and learn natural selection.
A for effort and money, F for content. It's fallacies after fallacies. You're attacking a strawman of evolution (on both the cosmic and biological level) that no one believes in. The only reason that God fits so nicely in the gaps of human knowledge is because we created him to fill them. I admit that I don't know where the universe came from, but I'm not going to say "a wizard did it" This YTMND will reaffirm the beliefs of those who agree and anger those who don't, but I don't see it converting anyone...
Wow, this ytmnd seems to be recieving only 1s or 5s based on if you agree or not. That is pretty small minded, people. Being a weak atheist (meaning I don't believe in a God, but I stil won't completely deny it's existance) it's hard for me to understand the concept of a God, and if their does exist one, how was it created? But then again, our idea of a God could exist in science also. What if there exists, in many dimensions above ours, beings with the ability to create and other things that we would not
Since this has become a philisophical/religious discussion, here is my 2 cents. Because its in a book written by man and said to be from a higher being it must be true. Just like if its on the internet, it has to be true. Believe what you need to believe to make your existance worthwile, just don't try to push it on me if I have my own idea.
Interesting and you make a good point- if a very old one- but I don't see absolute evidence explaining anything one way or another- thus I am agnostic, and have indeed contemplated the subject of this many times. Basically I just hope for the best, prepare for the worst, because this subject is anything but clear and certain to my thinking. *shrugs*
Fail for clumsy creationist propaganda. You clearly don't understand a thing about natural selection. Atoms don't "decide" to become what a galaxy or what have you, that's like saying a drop of rain "decided" land on your head. It's chaos theory. Furthermore, do have any idea how many hundreds of thousands of habitable planets there are in our galaxy alone? Do you have any idea how many billions of galaxies there are in our universe? Wake up.
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