Incredible Exploits of Nothing
Created on: July 30th, 2006
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First of all, the earth has been around for 5 billion years. Not zillions. Second, things don't "decide" to evolve. It's a natural process, just as gravity and can be clearly explained with total facts. Third, I ask that you stop seeing things in black and white. The whole "by chance, o rly?" theory is flawed beyond belief. Intelligent design IS NOT the only way this universe may have formed, (cont'd...)
but had anything gone differently (by chance, oooh) then that would be the norm and it would seem that this alternate universe was intelligently designed. It's like rolling a die, and after getting a 4 deciding that god made you roll it, likewise if you got a 3 or anything else. I could go on, but you're probably not considering the truth as a possibility anyway.
Ok, I just have to say this. As for the whole "something from nothing" deal, you should have no problem with it. You believe in the incredible as a way of life, why have a problem with one thing beyond present man's thinking? Just because we haven't the proper methods to determine the beginning of matter (or if there ever really was nothing) doesn't mean you and the other religious people do have those methods. YOU're not even trying to know the truth. Ok, now I'm done talking.
I realize that it was from something quoted, and you didn't write it... but it's likely the most egotistical and innacurate view of creation possible. Assuming that human life is too perfect to have happened by chance is egotistical in that it assumes that is the most perfect of all possible combinations of carbon-based life, which is absolutely ludicrous to assume.
awesome job. So great to see the atheists get so offended and paranoid almost lol. it's very ironic how many of them act. the end up being more dogmatic and militand than any christian. they faily to realized atheism can be treated as a religioun itself. many are also stuck in this time warp where they think the battlefield is god vs. science. whereas nowadays its way diff. tons and tons of scientists laugh at evolution now, and embrace creationism.
Let us put forth that God exists. Here we must be explicit in what
existence is, for if existence is defined as that which is cause to
effect then be it God or physics, their being now equivalent, our world is evidence enough, for if God is but the force that drives the world forward, that which decides what shall or shall not be, then we see only need of a system, that which once sought by religion but is now the goal of science.
At one time science was but an explanation of that which we see, but theoretical physics have allowed us to investigate all of that which can exist, and so it has become what
religion once was. But let us say further, that this system is the
creation of God, we now having attributed God an intelligence and
capability, that something should be created not simply because it must, rather because it was decided.
Now we have existence of a God with intelligence and so now we must question what this intelligence is, or more precisely its extent, using we humans, made in God's image, as a model for study. We know as humans that we can only create that
which is allowable by our system, therefore it would seem reasonable to say that our system must therefore be allowable within the system by which God creates.
If we say that God exists as intelligent we must then say that we are created by intent, otherwise we find ourselves again created by the system in which God exists rather than by God itself, and we have returned to our beginnings. So far we have drawn that God is an intelligent being within a system that allows for our creation and existence. So now we must ask what extent of intelligence God must have, for creation with intent requires knowledge of what is to be created.
One cannot invent the microwave oven without knowledge of the inner workings of both microwaves and electricity, and so it can be seen that God could not create our system without intimate knowledge of its workings, to be more precise, everything that is possible could only be possible if it were conceived of by that which created it. Therefore our entire system must exist as some aspect of knowledge of its creator.
That is, if God is all that we are and God's existence is all and only what we are, then we should find God in a predicament much like our own as put forth by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in physics, or the notion that one can see the world only through one's eyes and thus can only be understood as one has experienced, unable to experience all at once.
We are allowed here to cease in our inquiry, for if we accept that God's knowledge is of our system, the very system by which God exists, then again we find ourselves where we began with God simply being the force which brings the future, incapable of choice. Let us continue though as allow God to exist within a system. So we must accept that this system is beyond that which we know with our entire system being only one aspect, this aspect that God has chosen for our existence.
Again it becomes simple for in this allowance we have said that God is beyond comprehension, this being limited to that in which we exist, our not being able to create anything, in thought or reality, outside that which is allowable by our system. Therefore a full understanding of God is futile, and what is more, pointless, for it does not apply to that which is our existence. So we have come once again to where we have begun.
hard to believe some ppl can blatently post that they would believe
christianity even though there isnt even a smidgen of proof to the theory and
god doesn't flood things or turn people into pillars of salt these days either. (Though seriously, if you really want to look it up there's heaps of evidence in fossils, vestidgel organs, etc. For a theory to displace it it will have to provide it's own evidence for it rather than trying to poke holes in evolution.)
1 even though great music it completely discounts science, logic, reason, proof, and anything else that modern society values as objective ans testable. If you are such a conservative douche or find the notion that God does not exist appauling then take comfort in the fact that nothing in science can ever prove that any form of higher diety does not exist and it is the fundamental nature of any or all dieties that exist not to reveal themselves to us.
better luck next time
Well yes but there must be either an uncaused cause or a series of infinite causes and neither is apprehendable to us. Infinite regress seems to preclude the progression of time and the start of action, a beginning seems to imply an uncaused cause even if a deity is posited as the uncaused caused. If you wish to call god the uncaused cause you've done nothing to solve the problem.
I hate religion and I only follow facts and science, but you can't know the birth of the universe...it will most likely never be known. God is a concept created to fill in the things people can't understand. Religious people are always falling back on religion when they don't understand or can't cope with something. It comes from natural fear of starnge or different things, thankfully some people are smart enough to look beyond religion and are able to cope with the unknown, and would rather learn than hide
whoa... dropped to a 2 for spending 160 more dollars on it. it's nothing that special, so it signals to me that you must in some way take some aspects of it more seriously and/or literally than i thought, my 5 was for the feeling i got from it at the end that "lol, we're all hilarious morons who have no idea what's going on". i'm still loling at the bitter atheist accuracy police more than peterguy though.
Nice choice in music; That's about it.
The amazing inaccuracies of that video made me sick; I won't go into details, it's all been said already a dozen times... but can I suggest you go back to school/college/uni ASAP and learn this for yourself, instead of spouting generic propaganda you got off some ID site?
While I can't speak for anyone else, what bothers me about this is that someone can make a clever (but unscientific) argument for believing in a higher power that ends up causing unfounded doubt in established scientific areas. I have no problems letting people believe what they want, but in America this sort of view has been falsely taken as science and threatens the integrity of our education system.
I'll disprove one of Peterguy's "logical" statements: "Also, dont give the universe is eternal and so is matter argument cuz if
the universe is eternal then now could never happen. That would mean that
there would be an infinite amount of time before now, making now,
impossible to happen, but it is happening, right now."
There is a point on a timeline with infinite time before and after. Nothing illogical there.
Oh, and this one: " Matter cannon [sic] not be creater [sic]
nor destroyed right? If this is true then there is nothing in this universe
that can create more matter, which means something that is not made of
matter had to make matter." If you assert that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then you assert that not even god could create nor destroy matter. After that you stipulate "in this universe" which means that you assume that somehow God doesn't exist in this universe? I'll accept that!
"my friend anthony who was crippled and could barely walk after being prayd
for was literally doing laps around the dormatory. One girl her leg was
shorter then the other (it was born that way) her leg literally grea
2/3inches during prayer, now she can walk fine"
This proves that prayer and healing are correlated, not causally related. You're going to need a randomly selected group and a control group and run a regression to make any scientific claims.
FSM is spiritual and physical and beyond description, so yes FSM
is not matter. He can take the form of matter if He chooses but He is not
actual matter. That is my belief.
I believe FSM created the world, and FSM is not God. Why should I believe you? You're just ignorant of the true creator, FSM, and if you dressed in full pirate regalia you wouldn't need to have legs of equal length because you'd have a peg leg. Have faith in FSM, heathen.
BTW this did not happen by chance. Amphibians were developed before birds, as they have the required function for both land and water environments. Like I said those that are "Hardcore" Atheists are no better than the Religous extremists that made you hate religion....Honestly, STFU and this will die on it's own.
I'm not atheistic or anything, but I do find it funny that someone who is, in all rights and purposes, religous not only visiting ytnmd.com several times, but creating at least one site. As a holy person, you're supposed to AVOID anything that is not of your god. This makes you a poor Christian(from my guess). If I wanted to be bombarded with propaganda, I'd go to a church. Not ytmnd. With that said, I give you a 3 for creativity and stones.
Well when you put it that way, you're an idiot. You're right though, the universe is way too complicated for us to understand. Let's just throw our hands up and say that some big guy did everything by hand (also out of nothing), that way we don't have to think so hard anymore. Also, you're right that Christianity is the only true religion, and god damned all other stupid humans to eternal hellfire. Is it all making sense now people?
While science can explain the scientific processes up to the beginning of the universe (as we know it) in theory, it doesn't answer the question of "who wrote the rules?" But Jesus didn't have sh*t to do with creation. In fact, once upon a time Christianity was viewed as a cult as dangerous and as weird as Scientology. I'm willing to accept "god" as the answer to who wrote the rules, but attacking scientific processes and suggesting purpose for existence are things you should not arrogantly assume to know.
"It’s funny when someone puts forth a different theory than evolution, it
causes so much hate. Those who are the most insecure in their beliefs
always scream the loudest. "
Let's just say I think most of us hear a lot more from the religious side.
Stop saying, "I like how everyone is getting so offended, lol". People aren't getting offended, they are simply declaring this invalid and unfactual!
If someone made a ytmnd that started saying blatant lies about Max Goldberg everyone would correct it.
If Earth was the center of the universe and there were no planets outside of our solar system, like early Christians believed, the odds of life being formed by environmental conditions would have been astronomically small. However, when you take the scale of our universe into consideration, formation life isn’t a matter of probability; it’s a matter of inevitability.
Intelligent design is NOT Science. There is no part of the scientific process wherein a researcher says “This is too complex, must be God
Here's a quote:
Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of
rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing? -- STEPHEN HAWKING
Discuss.
Dear Christianity - why do I know more about you than your followers? why do i know about Constantine's unification of Christ and paganism, the election of deity, the random decsion of the Assumption of Mary, the purging of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the creation of the word 'heretic' and the true meaning of the word 'sunday'? if your followers could just read one book I'd be so very much happier. Yours truly, MasterSitsu.
i dont think so pal. if you take two seconds of your time to do a search, you'll see Christianity is an unoriginal theft of other deity stories. Jesus may very well have been real, and a revolutionary at that. but his deity was decided by m en, with the parts that made him human cast aside and burned. And despite historical data, everything from this to dinosaurs is greeted with fingers in the ears from Christians, who like Scientologists are conditioned to not listen to anything contradictory.
You have the evolution of things completely wrong *insert Lex Luthor sound here*. In my humble opinion you should spend more time doing research (ie. reading any standard public college Biology textbook specifically Zoology). After doing the research you should carefully compare and weigh what is said in each book on the origin and evolution of life. Remember both books were written by human hands. Let logic and reason prevail. If nothing else, at least get the details right before you make any conclusions.
*sigh* I fear for the day that people don't question anything given to them and believe everything they're told. Oh wait, that day is here. At least you're thought-provoking, even if the majority of people are only provoked enough to insult you instead of considering what you have to say.
I'm not here to say whether that God exists or not, I'm here to tell everyone to consider both possibilities.
Alright...let's say I buy your belief that everything was created by "Something". I guess the next logical question then is what created that "Something"? I mean if it's a thing, it has to be created by something right? Or maybe the arguement is it was created by nothing? So in reality, both theories fail due to the same flaw, yours just has one more step before the flaw, and less physical evidence to support it. Good game.
You say its strange for nothing to turn into something, but isnt that exactly what almost all gods of religion have done? How does a nothing, even turn into a god? Its possible that after billions of years, something very simple, after so many events and changes occuring, it can become something complicated. What im talking about is the universe. Yes its possible there is a god that started the universe, but its much more likely that there is another explanation, since,"What created god?"
If he didn't "exclude stuff" then this ytmnd could, quite possibly, be 2 gigs. It doesn't have to be perfect. He explained what he thought in a simple way.
Sponsoring a YTMND is to benefit the server and Max not just to get your YTMND seen. Wouldn't you rather sponsor your own YTMND as opposed to someone you don't know. Chill out people. You don't have to take everything so seriously.
Atoms formed on their own free will? DNA structures were struck into that existance on the first try, rather than it happening millions of times and EVENTUALLY forming? The birds just appeared and found that the air was fine to breathe, rather than evolving to that point? The world is a beautiful place, rather than us feeling that way because we live here? If the constants were different, we wouldn't be different? Please, think for yourself.
Jeeezz..... I'm soo sick of these 'Learning is Fun!!' YTMNDs in the first place, but then this one is just an arguement waiting to happen (or did just happen). Besides, why does everyone have to be soo opinionated and argue this to death to begin with? Is that going to solve anything? If we discover the cause of existence beyond a shadow of a doubt will that even change anything?
I hate the fact that everyone who fives this site claims that the people who 1 it are atheist. I am Catholic, have been forever, yet I do not follow the Faith blindly. There is such thing as evolution, and most likely the big bang holds true. However divine influence can not be entirely ruled out because we DONT KNOW.
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