Cries of the Infidels
Created on: September 20th, 2006
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I cant help but notice the vast amount of this was relied upon by one author. While your public service ..in spirit.. cannot be discounted may I remind you it is like a spoiled child to think that god is capable of leaving anyone alone to think you are so special to be left out at all. Also that hell is just what exsists between the fears and mass hysteria of man. Hell is not of God and God is everything beyond what you and everyone on this tiny earth can comprehend or beleave.
I'll have to disagree Taylor, this site isn't "good" it's okay, it's not too interesting, the music isn't too hot, it's full of assumptions and unprovable "true" information. God may exist, Jesus may have been his son, Shiva may be wondering who the hell this yahweh guy is people are worshipping, buddha may be living next door to you, that neighbour who always smiles and waves at you every morning....who knows? I'm no atheist, but my religion is mine, what matters is how I as a person
It really doesn't prove anything. Hundreds or even thousands of people wouldn't need to know eachother and conspire in order to all see the same thing when near death because everyone is familiar with what Hell is supposedly like. Also, if near death, the brain releases chemicals licken to downer substances, meaning they would get visions of hopelessness. These visions are a part of human evolution, necessary to convince fellow people in a life-and-death situation to be disturbed by them and move on.
"These atheists can't just dismiss these testimonies as merely illusions of a
dying brain. It would be retarded to do so, as I believe most of these
testimonies are true evidence of an afterlife, and a bad one without Jesus."
And i guess it isn't retarded to believe in magical demons torturing you. Srsly, you internetevangelists need to get a life.
Oh yeah, and that Voltaire story, complete Bull. Thanks for trying.
oohhh, that spooky music and that bunch of unsubstantiated stories about 'skeptiks' of some tired nonsense from 2000 years ago with no substantial physical reporudcable evidence really scared me, I should become christian (and not muslim or any other monolithic religion because they're not THE TRUE religion.) Please tell me mr. dipsh*t, If your 'god' really created us, why did he create us in such a way that we can question his existence or any statement that is not accompanied by evidence or proof?
If all your theories about afterlife are true how come you can't prove them? How come you don't have the slightest of evidence to show us when it comes to showing 'proof'? How come you are so strongly rejecting all other explanations of existance other than yours without providing solid reproducable physical evidence? Why the f*ck on earth should I or any other sane person have any REASON to believe you? People experience illusion all the f*cking time, it's a psychological condition asswipe!
And if we were made to obey god all the time, why did he create us in a way to be more than such a being? Why do we have freedom of thought and action (at least only constainted by physical factors?) Why didn't he just make us obidient so that we just shut our mouths and serve his purpose? However, if he created us to have all sorts of freedom and order us to obey him, then is he an attention whore and a sadist? Burning and torturing people who don't obey him and loving the ones who do?
Man, I'm a Christian. I've even enjoyed some of your pro Christianity debates previously. But this one is just plain irresponsible. "Mr. N and Mr. W"? "A youth in Sheffield"? "An inifidel in Michigan"? If you can't offer facts as evidence then your argument can't be taken seriously. It's a joke now.
Great YTMND, BUT... I would have used Unbeliver instead of Infadel. I know they are two words for the same thing but we're Christian not Islamic. People associate the word Infidel with Islamic Extremism and therefore put any sentance you use it in out of their heads and dismiss it as a psychotic rambling. So if you want to make a noteworthy point like you have done here use a word more people will "get along" with.
You f*cking homo! Get the hell out of here with your religous bullsh*t. You are a dumb, brainwashed pig. Don't you think it's possible that after years of being told about hell, these people where just the slight bit afriad becuase of some propoganda bullsh*t thats been washed down there throats. Is it possible that they where afraid that, what if, they thought the theings being told to them might just be true? You and the other natzis that sponsored this site need to be banned and reeducated.
I believe in God, spiritually and a higher power. What I do not believe in is the idea that a kind and loving god would knowlingly allow the children he loves to suffer for all eternity. When a parent punishes a child its so they learn from their mistakes and grow as people. Eternal punishment is not teaching, its tortue. Hell is an idea created by man to keep other people in line. Its a form of scare tactics used to extort money and loyality from people in the form of organized religion.
This type of thing is the very reason christianity is dying. Christians are using the same scare tactics they've used for the past 500 years in a time where there less to be scared of. Instead of trying to be loving, and caring as they always claim is their intention, they try and scare you. They try and make you second guess yourself instead of just trying to make you feel, for a lack of a better term, loved by their god.
The way I see it they place themselves in this posistion, no matter how much God tries to help them their just simply evil people, the kind of person that, when they get caught performing a crime they are not sorry they did it, but sorry they were caught. So there is really nothing else for it but to deny them access to heaven. I think if there was even a chance they could be saved God would save them, but they wont be saved. As C.S.Lewis said, the Gates of Hell are held shut from the inside-
Sad to see how much hate there is for Christians out there. Nothing unexpected though. Who needs God in a country where everything you could want is provided for you. In the end, when you are dieing, I hope you think back to this and remember your comments. I don't care whether you are a believer or not, if you see the gates of hell on your death bed you will come to the realize that you rejected a salvation that is so very easy to get, not hard, easy, all you had to do was ask just once to be saved.
I am a fair man, and I will sit to listen to those I disagree with. Your argument did not impress me though. I am not being or narrow minded, your argument faultered. Here is why. First off, you said yourself, people are not very mentally stable near death. So their words dont quite count as proof. Secondly, you said they had similar visions. Well, of course they did. These people had been told about hellfire and damnation their entire lives...
if they had been told about giant purple bunny rabbits in marshmallow fields, they would have been tasting the marshmallow on their way out. Third, you have quite a few religeous sources of information (Reverands and such), very biased people who are trying to "save those heathen free thinkers from the everlasting hellfire". Now, Im sorry, but I need more than second hand information about the final words of a stroke victim to sell me that all atheists are repentent as they are "consumed in hellfire"...
Near death experiances are also largely bunk. The dying brain begins to run out of blood, shoot off random sensations and cause quite a few odd trips. So to recap your argument is 1)Dying people who have been convinced their entire lives that they will be consumed in hellfire see hellish visions as their brain spasms wildly in their last few minutes of life. And it is backed up by religous sources and vaguely points to "Hundreds more" similar tales. Your argument = fail. Also, unfunny = gtfo.
What is sad about atheists is you just go off when someone posts anything even hinting at the existence of God, when does this ever happen when an evolution theory is posted? It may happen, but never anywhere near as often as it happens when something about God is posted. You realise what that sounds like right? Extremist religions are very close to what you guys are currently doing, absolute denial of anything even hinting of God and abuse to whomever supplies the information.
This proves nothing. Ask anyone who had a similiar experience IN A DIFFERENT RELIGION. I'm sure there are hundreds of accounts of people from religions such as the Hindu, Shinto, or Aboriginee who have felt something of the same, but with their own religion's account of what happens when you die. You suck ass, EmoKitten.
If god is really as close minded as you make him appear, and heaven is full of people like you, I can't wait to surf on the sea of fire and listen to metal. If you think you have the right to shove this garbage down our collective throat, then you deserve to have a hefty c*ck shoved down yours. GTFO
Poorly thought through [though well made...] You fail to understand that these 'testimonies' are poetic, romanticised wanderings of dying, desperate, and delusioned minds; not facts. It is nice to believe that there is life after death, but there is absolutely no hard evidence to support such a claim. We must work on what we can whilst we're here, rather than putting it off for another generation to sit back and wait for heaven with open, lazy arms.
Dependance on God is the single most destructive force in the global society. Supposing that there is a God, he will not intervene in your life, and you know damn well why. Objectively, you can see everything as a test from God which you can only pass alone. Because of this, God will never help you out. It would undermine the entirety of existance if God were to make something appear/disappear because in doing so, he would have to intervene in everything that said created/destroyed object interacted with.
let's put it this way. people who accept the term "pro life" are happy in doing so, but would someone claim to be "pro death" then because they agree with abortion? No. Just the same with your stupid and pointless use of "infidel" (which is used more exclusively by the Islamic culture. You have chosen to coin all other religions as 'infidels'. lol stupid). You automatically assume that there is no other way around the term. Ignorant white trash. GTFO please.
ok let's start with a presumable five because your site looks nice. minus one for condescension including the use of 'infidel', minus one for raving, elitist propaganda, minus one for ignoring the 'lack of humor' rule (unless you think this ytmnd is humorous, and i daresay the private last words of men are less than LOL-worthy), and minus one for the fact that you continually disregard max's statements that seem to suggest your stupid religious BS is not welcome here. oo, you get a one! see you in hell ^_^
oh, and one more thing - can you show me a dying buddhist "infidel" who exclaimed in olde english that he was burning in hellfire, eternal damnation etc? then after you're done with that, find me a nice, dying christian man who in his last moments described the peace of heaven?
oh, and the music was better on your first site.
well done, some of the slides went by too quickly, I really had to be on my toes to read it all. perhaps you can keep adding to it with all these other accounts you speak of?
The word infidel isn't well suited for talking about christianity, maybe non-believer or non-christian or atheist, or something along those lines. Infidel is too islamic.
Nobody really cares who bought his house... The deathbed reports are completely fabricated and baseless and come from a ridiculously biased source with no attempts to cross reference it with any other source. Red herring does not imply truth. Take a logic class, please. You can learn about all of your fallacies in the first couple weeks (although there are so many I think it's too much to cover in one day unless you study real hard)
Ok, Whet... One Christian to another. This is not how you win people over to God. You don't do it by frightening them, or by telling them about Hell. And you don't do it by quoting clearly biased sources. You do it by showing them love, compassion, kindness... by letting them see the Joy that God gives to you. Think about what version of Christianity you want others to embrace. Hellfire for those we don't like? Or grace and love for everyone? Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
well max.... yet another example how you can't just turn away if you dont like something...for f*cks sake who cares if its not what you believe or if you like it. I mean i get a eye full of c*ck or tubgirl or lemonparty almost daily from this site, i dont throw a fit...i click away....i am 5ving this only because its bulsh*t that you take it so personaly.......
by the way though.....infidel is a little too harsh of a word friend.
I have to agree with thejackmac- believe in God or you're going to get eated >:o isn't a good message to send from a religion that's supposed to resonate the concepts of compassion, brother/sisterhood, and healing of the sick, weak, and downtrodden.
It's great that you believe in Christianity enough to post a YTMND about it, but trying to scare people on the internet into belief is not exactly one of the 10 Commandments.
Funny how you say that all these people saw the same thing before dying, therefore it must be true. After all, when you ask people what a wise human would look like, what would you say? An old man with a beard and soft demeanor? What would you think of when you think of a caring person? Perhaps a mother?
Needless to say, I like how this superstitious YTMND was constructed. It was eerie to us because it goes into the psychological backbone of humans and the collective unconcious that is produced--
-- by our societies. After all, every single last one of those dying people you mentioned lived in Christian societies, where Christian afterthoughts were engrained in their subconcious. Nothing more than social conditioning. A valiant effort though for those who believe Christianity, even if you take no real logic into regard. 3'd.
jesus christ its called a "documentary" watch it if u want, if you dont, then dont. dont come in here blabbering about how you dont like what whetstone believes. hes not forcing it upon you, you are forcing it upon yourself. wars are fought becasue of people like you that cant understand that we have differences in what we believe.
I appreciate your passion, but using fear and condescension as your tools in making little to no point is going to attract you hate and laughter, very rarely serious consideration. The use and repetition of 'infidel', especially, does very little to assure the viewer of your sanity.
An impressive effort of aesthetic presentation, it is, though.
Please, your ytmnd frightens me. All my life I was brought up hindu and now I watch this and I am afraid that I will suffer the same fate as these other infidels. Oh please tell me, how can I save myself? just kidding, f*cktard. I hope you learn how to use your brain before you die and go to the great beyond. You're wasting your life with your mindless obedience to evangelical propaganda.
""Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the
following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal,
pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those
and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy."
You think this doesn't lack humor?
People who say for certain 'we are a brain', (darkreign I'm looking at you) - are as bad as those who say for certain they know god exists without evidence. The only correct response is to say YOU DO NOT KNOW, if you do not know. There is no proof we are only a brain. Elitists who like to feel they're better than everybody else and know all the answers piss me off on both sides.
""Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the
following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal,
pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those
and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy."
...It lacks humor. Also, stop trying to brainwash people.
lol, religious battle. terribly argued, honorable attempt to improve the lives of others. The best way to get people to change is probably to get them to think and eventually create personal beleifs. Trying to prove something that you believe is pretty much asking for a fight, and only strengthens the resolve of the "opposition".
"I am not so much irritated that Whetstone created this poorly constructed religious
rant as I am irritated that Ninjando and GendoIkari f*cking SPONSORED THIS
PILE OF BULLSH*T." lol. "Noooo!!! how dare you give money to max to help him keep this site running!!!!" Yeah, sorry, I'm just a jerk like that. Giving money to max and stuff.
The purpose of sponsor was people wanting to get their sh*tty sites to be on the front page if they cant do it in a real way. It's basically bribing for the front page, it helps ytmnd though. LOL OMG TEH SCARY RELIGIOUS RED FONT TEH INFIDELS OF THE INFIDELS HELL Bahahaha. Yeah.. you sure scared me with your evangelical bullsh*t. F*ck off and die.
GendoIkari, the point is that we would much rather you sponsored the Blue Ball Machine, or for that matter the GOATSE man, than whetstone. By the way, whetstone, you aren't stupid; you must know that 'infidel' is a loaded word, so don't pretend it isn't. And your "deathbed confession" stories are questionable at best. Here is a letter written by a witness to Voltaire's death regarding that subject:
I feel happy in being able, while paying homage to truth, to destroy the effects of the lying stories which have been told respecting the last moments of Mons. de Voltaire. I was, by office, one of those who were appointed to watch the whole progress of his illness, with M.M. Tronchin, Lorry, and Try, his medical attendants. I never left him for an instant during his last moments, and I can certify that we invariably observed in him the same strength of character, though his disease was (continued)
necessarily attended with horrible pain. (Here follow the details of his case.) We positively forbade him to speak in order to prevent the increase of a spitting of blood, with which he was attacked; still he continued to communicate with us by means of little cards, on which he wrote his questions; we replied to him verbally, and if he was not satisfied, he always made his observations to us in writing. He therefore retained his faculties up to the last moment, and the fooleries which have been (cont'd)
attributed to him are deserving of the greatest contempt, It could not even be said that such or such person had related any circumstance of his death as being witness to it; for at the last, admission to his chamber was forbidden to any person. Those who came to obtain intelligence respecting the patient, waited in the saloon, and other apartments at hand. The proposition, therefore, which has been put in the mouth of Marshal Richelieu is as unfounded as the rest.
Paris, April 3, 1819. (Signed) BURARD.82
honestly wouldnt it be best for someone to find their own form of spiritual peace rather than be spoon fed from others? doesnt saving yourself sound more appealing than being saved by somebody else? i wont put people down for their beliefs, because everyone is entitled to that much at least; however i am not a fan of pushing one's own beliefs onto others under threat of eternal damnation, death, or bodily harm. whatever the case may be. the intention might have been good but please keep it to yourself.
Bleh. Not even thought provoking, and as hundereds of others have said, it has tons of flawed logic that you failed to address in the comments section. I would say that this thing has actually caused people to reject Christianity. But whatever. Let's say that I'm moved by this slideshow and want to get saved now. How does one go about that? Oh yeah, you offer no definition of getting saved, and every church's doctrine and interpretation of the Bible is completely unique.
they also burned witches back in the days. boy, were they sure they were sent by the devil. pretty darn convinced. as for the more recent testimonies.. uh.. c*cks. I suppose.. who here hasn't had the falling dream? you know, you dream you're falling, you wake up? yeah. I think since everyone has had that dream, it should hold in court of law that everyone is falling.
I really don't agree with believing in religion just because you're afraid of going to hell. It isn't right believing it for that. What I'm going to make my religion for life is the religion of being a good person. Stop trying to scare people into a certain religion with your scary music, all that matters is that they were a good person in life and that's how they should be judged, whether they followed a certain religion or not doesn't matter.
I have no choice but to 1 this since it has absolutely no redeeming qualities (lol pun), but if it makes you feel better, I also 1'd the ytmnd petitioning to ban you. This doesn't even have Bible scriptures quoted! You figure most every wannabe God warrior would have some supporting scripture. Assuming you believe the version of the Bible you read is anywhere close to the original texts of the Bible. I really can't understand how anyone would 5 this piece of garbage.
Freaking hey. I need to stop devoting energy to this thing, but I have to vent. Someone here said, "If I believe in Jesus, I ensure salvation. So why not believe just to be safe?" BELIEVING? What does that mean? You can't DECIDE to believe in something if you don't. Plus, belief doesn't mean squat. Most people would say that devoting your life to Jesus is all you need... but at what point is a threshhold crossed when you fall below the criteria for entry into heaven?
Anyway, the bottom line is that I trust God to lead me in the right direction instead of some douche that was scared by his preacher into burning all his Pokemon cards. I love how some Christians admit that humans are sinful, impure beings, yet then put themselves on the level of God by judging others and thinking they've been given the truth by other humans. They bash skeptics, but they fail to acknowledge that without skeptics, we'd all accept Muhammed as our savior if that was what we were told first.
As a christian, this site was a load of sh*t for me
i mean the word "infidel" has strong meaning
And to those down voting solely on the fact of beliefs
then go f*ck yourselfs
you aren't anybetter then the people you're complaining against
just downvote and shut it
no one wants to hear anymore angsty ranting
ok, so did any of you jackass downvoters READ THE DISCLAIMER? if you DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT, DON'T CLICK ON IT YOU RETARD.
man I can't stand people who go out of their way to be asshats. Max, if you ever see this comment, you should make ytmnd a little less biased towards people being dicks, and a little more fair for someone posting things that some people want to see.
F*ck you. Your notion of converting people to your nonsense is to scare them about their death? That's what bin Laden and his ilk does, you f*cking fruit. Go - go, in your faux-righteousness, off to pray to keep your abstinence pledge, while the rest of us f*ck the prom queens and laugh at you wasting your time praying to Santa Claus. Did I mention "f*ck you"?
The saddest part about this is that all the downvotes and negative comments simply feed into fundies' martyr complexes. So, instead of taking them as a suggestion that perhaps you're terrifically wrong and an ass, it'll just boost the fake ego you've created in your own mind. Enjoy your psychosis, pal.
Well, the whole idea of organized religion is a scare you into believing in something that can't be confermed, and, of course, one believes in it to be on the safe side and save their own *ss just in case this hell place might exist. Now, what is your point?
I found your little "if you are offended about religion, turn back now" criticism of political correctness quite asuming since you seem to be a product of your own PCness. I mean, are you not offended by those who counter your insecure mythology?
"Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal, pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy. " ... Obviously this site *does* lack humor. The only way it could be considered humorous is if...it's a joke.
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