An Apology from Peterguy
Created on: September 4th, 2006
sorry everybody...
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+5 for the intent, but I have no faith in God. I pretty much lost it after I realized the convenience of Christianity and the dissimilarities of the Old and New Testaments. And, actually, I would rather burn in hell than be saved out of pity by you. Not dissing you, just saying that that's the decision I've made with my life. But you are kinda putting yourself out there to be made fun of...
One useful advancement in science: uhm - modern genetics, modern medicine, archeology, annthropology, the understanding of human pre-history.
All these things are PROVEABLE in the real world. You can believe what you want but dont try to bring an untestable hypothesis (god, etc.) into a testable realm (physical world). they just dont work mi amigo.
It takes a lot of guts to offer up an appology, especially on this subject. Many many people do not have the character to do that. And to those who ask how peterguy can respect atheist believes while he thinks they're ignorant. It's really quite simple: The same way I can respect peterguy's beliefs while I think Christians are certifiably insane.
I am a Christian and I believe that I was upset by some of your efforts to reach some people through YTMND. I am not happy with a lot of fellow Christians, unfortunately because they are some of the least Christian people I know, but I am happy that you are able to admit your mistakes and makes your intentions known. www.ytmnwwjd.com
Disclaimer: I am not an atheist. +5 for intent, -4 for execution. I am going to my speech straight: you don't have the tools to swing for these fences. You are not aware of the basic tenets of theology or logic. You don't have the tools or the knowledge to have an intelligent conversation about others' beliefs (be they theists or atheists), and you have fundamental misconceptions that prevent you from sharing your own beliefs and from reaching a fuller relationship with the Lord.
Anyone else find it odd that a fellow Christian by the name "GendoIkari" clearly a japanese referenced name : (Shintoism + Buddhism) Donated more money than Peter to keep this on the front page? Also, I find by commenting on this site we are all guilty of playing into Peterguy's hands which is not the spread of the "Word" of god, (which can be found at hotels everywhere next to the dead hooker) but merely for exposure? Nor do I think he has truely become sorry from all the previous sites he has posted. FTL
I mean seriously, if you respected our beliefs you wouldn't be trying to "Help us" out of love or out of everything else. If you respected our beliefs you would sit back and say "Well, okay, that person must be going where they say they are going when they die." THAT is respecting someone's beliefs. What you are doing is called "Vanity" and if I'm not mistaken in YOUR religion, that's one of the big no-no's.
Thanks for making such a stirring and brave apology. Now onto the mocking part. God knows everything, so god knows who goes to hell or not, so why bother? Doesn't seem like a nice god if he lets a vast majority of the people on earth suffer for eternity when they die. And you can't have an intimate relationship with a mythological concept.
This is amusing. It is the only reason why I am voting and thus having anything to do with you. It is already clear to me that our views are irreconcilable. But that is fine. You keep your views, I keep mine, and no attention will be paid to eachother's philosophical judgements. Once this vote is processed, you will forget about my existence... and I will forget about yours.
Evolution = theory. has been for years, will be for years. denying evolution is not denying the progress of man, denying education would be. two completely f*cking different things. im not siding with jesus boy here but im not siding with darwin f*gs either. Take SETI, good old science run project, using its technology we have been able to tell that billions of planets dont contain life.
Using statistics, the fact that other planets dont contain ANY life, and ours only contains life nowhere NEAR our ability, science technology etc, statistically, our extremely circumstantial "evolution" is less likely then there being a man in the sky who made us all. Hence the fact that even half the science community dont like the THEORY of evolution. and christianity, stop the science bashing too. As the pope said, if anything will ever prove the existance of god, its science, (new pope not dead pope).
People around here REALLY don't like conservative evangelical Christians.
Kudos to everyone who responded to this thread in a *rational* and calm manner.
Peterguy, I think the apology would be better accepted if you didn't keep saying "btw evolution is wrong" throughout it. IMO, if evolution did/does occur (which it more than likely does), who's to say God didn't set it in motion?
One useful advancement in science: The Aqueduct? Also... until you understand the terminology, stop using the word THEORY to try and make it sound like evolution is an idea someone came up with after a night of binge drinking... There's something called the Theory of Gravitation too and you'd sounds just as backwards denying it as you do denying evolution.
It's sad seeing people go into a fit over this YTMND. That doesn't mean I agree with you, Peterguy. As for the question "motu, challenge, name 1 useful advancement of science because of evolution", science is about everything, including change (which is evolution). Evolution is change. There is a reason why we managed to get different breeds of dogs: the population changed over time. That's the beauty of science: as more information pops up, paradigms change so we get closer to the truth every time.
Peterguy... YOU and ALL the other self-serving, holier-than-thou Christians are whats WRONG with modern Christianity. By your own words you will burn in your own hell. Take a look in the mirror, hypocrit. Also... anyone who doesn't believe that evolution happened has a severe mental defect. We have PROOF. You have a BOOK OF STORIES. STORIES told by the HAND OF MAN. Man likes to lie and embellish. See where I'm going here? -continued-
Show me PROOF OF GOD. And I mean real proof... not that "look inside yourself" hypocritical bullsh*t you Right-Winged nuts throw around. Physical... proof. Truth is? You have none... and never had any in the first place. You wanna believe in mystical being and worship false idols? Go for it... but keep your hypocrital corss off my f*cking wall. Something tells me you're the type of guy that pokes fun at Scientology and Muslims, am I right? Yeh... f*cking hypocrit.
Now I'm not a Scientologist either. I feel organized religion on a whole is a tool created by man in order to wash away your questions and curiosities into a collective "God made it for me and me alone" pool. Why don't you go part to your pue and fall in line with the rest of your herd, Peterguy? Speak more prayers to yourself that you THINK someone hears. You know who hears them? Just you. Only you.
Wow... I wasn't aware that anything particularly hostile was said in that letter. Yet it seems that every non-Christian on the site has devoted their time and energy to tearing Peterguy down. You can make fun of Christianity all you want, dredge up atrocities committed by corrupt leaders from hundreds of years ago, but look at yourselves now. Who is making a bigger scene?
Just so some people are clear (when I'm pissed I ramble). I am NOT an atheist. ALL religion... even ones based in the non-existance of a "could-be" god are wrong. Do I know if God exists? Nope. But neither do you Christians. So get off your high horse and stop hiding behind your "God." Religion stifles free thought and closes your mind when taken too seriously. You, Peterguy, take your religion WAY too literally. This is way I HATE Evangelical, Conservative Christians such as yourself, bloody sheep
@ benjaphar -- Exactly. So many calm spoken responses against Creationism and Christianity in this thread... all of them ignored. It takes someone going into a raged rant about them and their religion to get them to stop and respond... 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a condesending, overlooking, and selective arguement pointing out overall mood and language rather than trying to debunct specific points of topic. Or just turns out to be an "I'll pray for you" backhanded comment.
@ Klptzyxm -- I guess since we disagree that means we're gonna burn for all eternity in the Christian Hell. Some all forgiving "God" they have there, huh? Must be awesome to live your life in fear of some mystical Daddy figure waggling his finger at your from the skys threatening you with ultimate death and doom if you disobey. Rock on, Christianity, rock on. -_-
you know this site has actually thought me something, whether your a christian or an athiest it doesnt matter as long as we can babble and argue to eternity were all happy. But when a person tells my kids that they can no longer learn about evolution because evolution is a "religion" then i get offended. Christians, keep doing whatever makes you feel good and say what ever you want. just stay the f*ck away from me and the f*ck away from my family.
Ok Pete, lemme break it down for you one last time. I'd like to think of myself as Christian, but I also believe that the "Word of God" was written by the hand of man. Thus do we know not to take it truly as "God's Holy Word", becuase it is filtered through the Imperfections of "His Creations". From this, I do not agree that the Earth is only 6 Millenia young, Because it is not proven to me. Somebody once said "Explaining away is very different from explaining"...
... And I don't buy anything that sounds like an Excuse. You cited the Banana as Proof that God Created it. But here's your trap. Proof denies faith, and so if you Do prove there's a God, you prove there isn't one. Douglas Adams, Petey ol' thing, ya really should take a look at his stuff.
Also, Less Fire & brimstone, More Child Daycare programmes.
Religion is one of humanity's most powerful and uniting forces. It's also one of its most dividing.
But in regards to the YTMNDs: most people come here for laughs, not to be preached to. Just keep that in mind. Making these YTMNDS that preach to others makes you look arrogant, at the very least. The only thing we as humans can be certain of, is that everything is uncertain.
id like to ask evolutionists a question though...where did male and female come from? existance is far easier as an A sexual being PLUS male and female would to have begun at the same time. if its true that the evolutions that work are the ones that live, i dont think sex would have gotten anywhere at all.
"id like to ask evolutionists a question though...where did male and female
come from? existance is far easier as an A sexual being PLUS male and
female would to have begun at the same time. if its true that the
evolutions that work are the ones that live, i dont think sex would have
gotten anywhere at all."
Nope, there are some animals which can reproduce both sexually and asexually (bees, for example) and in the past there were more (sex evolved back when there were still microbes).
The BIG advantage to sexual reproduction is the ability to exchange and acquire NEW genetic material, and hence new beneficial mutations. It also prevents replicative fading. Before sex, offspring were merely identical reproductions of the parent. And like a xerox, if you just keep making copies of copies of copies, eventually things break down. Complexity will not arise. That's why most asexual reproducers today are very primitive life forms.
"Jesus kills. Read about the crusades, Salem witch trials, the myriad
slayings of Pagans and so-called heretics, and all the other atrocities
which all stemmed from the gospels. Science is about understanding the
world. Christianity is about controlling it." ....amen, wargasm. Game. Set. Match.
4 star for the Chrono Cross music.
Also c*cks
This is nice. I never thought that you were just trying to be an *ssh*l*e, just that you were wrong. Evolution is scientific fact (yes, and theory, but scientific theory is different from saying "I theorize that the moon is made of cheese!") This is not an opinion, it is scientific truth, and you're gonna have to factor that into your beliefs, because denying the facts just makes you ignorent. However, there is nothing wrong with learning about peoples beliefs, much less discussing them, and debate can be good as long as it doesn't turn ugly.
As a Christian...your backhanded apology offends me. You are STILL not
living as a good example of Christ. If you wonder why people hate us
Christians, it's because of sanctimonious people like you. As a Christian...your backhanded apology offends me. You are STILL not
living as a good example of Christ. If you wonder why people hate us
Christians, it's because of sanctimonious people like you. As a Christian...your backhanded apology offends me. You are STILL not
living as a good example of Christ. If you wonder why people hate us
Christians, it's because of sanctimonious people like you. As a Christian...your backhanded apology offends me. You are STILL not
living as a good example of Christ.
Peterguy: challenge, name 1 useful advancement of science because of evolution - Selective breeding. Genetic engineering. Genetic algorithms. Palentology. Far too many fields of research and study to list them all. You who choose not to research and only study ancient folklore should not comment on mankinds current progress of knowledge.
You apologize, you say that you are sorry.. sorry that we're all going to hell? I refuse your apology until you apologize for being a hypocrite and blasphemer, and learn to truly love your neighbour by respecting them and their beliefs. Try teaching by example, not thumping out bible quotes and forcing hellfire and brimstone down peoples throats.
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