An Apology from Peterguy
Created on: September 4th, 2006
sorry everybody...
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Peterguy, it's impossible for anyone to feel stupid with you around. I’ll still one all of your sites. I don’t carry any illusions of benevolent intent, just facts. You have still have yet to show any evidence of God, your God specifically, that bears no scientific explanation and serious research. Also, to deny evolution is to deny the advancement of man.
So... God talks to you then? I know praying feels good, it always feels good to think someone is watching over you and guiding you. But it's a childish fantasy for most people, Agnus Dei. Zeus and Shiva listen to the plights of man too, would you support them? Hell, pray to Zeus and he’ll get you laid. And have you ever even heard of genetics? The basis of genetics is in evolution. Without evolution, no one would have ever wondered how people passed on characteristics.
Peterguy, don't apologize for your sites. It disappoints those who like your sites, and does nothing for those who hate em. I like your photo collections best, The Post Office Collections, the telephone wires, ect... you should concentrate on those. I'm hoping you do a White Castle database soon.... People who get upset at self-sponsering don't get the original intention of Sponsership, That's what it was created for. And no one should be upset at supporting YTMND.
Peterguy, I share with you this scripture which I think makes the case for -NOT- making Christian YTMNDs. From the sermon on the mount, I believe... “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
The problem is that clinging too tightly to specific religions is what leads to human conflict. The battles over in Israel are because of religion. The terrorists were emboldened to kill others because of their religious beliefs. Almost every major war throughout history was the result of religious conflict.
If you really want to help others, find a way to unite all these different religious groups, so that we can all start working together. Think about how you feel when someone attacks your religion. That's exactly how muslims, jews, atheists, etc.. will feel when you dictate your beliefs to them. If people could just let go of their pride and admit we know nothing about the universe, and start focusing on ourselves (psychology) and our society (sociology) we could help make life better for everyone.
Religion. It should not rule your life, where Crusades or Holy Wars are declared against one another.
It should only be a crutch in times needed in great times, such as being hospitalized. It's proven that if you believe you will get better, you will. Religion helps.
Do not, however let it dictate your life. Religion gets scary at times, with so called faiths that preach hate, preach against the wonders of science, or worship animals like mice.
Regions still suffer in chaos due to numbers of reason. Eastern Europe, where Roman Catholics, Russian Othrodox Church, and Islam meet. Border and religous disputes.
Ireland...Protestant and Catholic disputes over the border.
Middle East- The Birth Place of the major Religions. Still a hell hole as we see.
Kashmir- India and Pakistan dispute over this. They hate eachother, over religion. Buddhist and Islam. China is also nearby..Atheist.
There's many, and I do mean many more atrocites commited in the past over religion or aimed at religion. Now off the topic of the world. Deeply Religious people such as those growing in the Bible Belt can at times become dangerous and unstable. They will go after and carry out the works of God such as blowing up Abortion Centers, kidnapping Babies with no father, ect. Terrorist acts because of religion, although some the things are wrong like abortion. They shouldn't be carried out with explosives.
As apologies go, that's one of the most self-serving I've ever seen (or divine-serving, if you prefer, but to me it amounts to the same thing). 2 instead of one because you gave some badly-needed money to Max for this site, but that's the best one can say about it. As for evolution, what are your problems with it, specifically?
Uhm, my main problem is that you preach that we should succumb to fear, and that christianity is the only god. Stop being a sheep. Oddly enough, I refute you and most christians because I love them too, and I don't think devoting yourself to something purely out of fear, and that's what it is, you fear hell, is not any way to live life. Hopefully you'll see it as that one day.
You're not doing nonbelievers a favor by trying to convert them - you're just annoying them. Unfortunately, unlike the Jehova's Witnesses (Ironically Jehova is the phonetic spelling of the word, not the actual spelling), I cannot slam the door in your face.
But praise be to Jesus, I can downvote you! Can I get an Amen brother!? How about a Hallelujah?
1 for a few reasons. 1)Donating to your own YTMND just to be on the front page. 2)Feeling so insecure about your religion that you feel you have to bash others in order to make them believe. I am a firm atheist and will not change or feel stupid no matter what fool thinks I do or should. BTW Peterguy kind of reminds folks of Peter Griffin. Silly Christians ! Gods are for kids!
Also, your analogy of trying to save your friend from being hit by a car, well yeah, thats the response, but in reality the car you see crashing towards us is a car that not everyone sees. By this we can conclude that they are flawed because they don't see it, or that you are flawed because you see it. Either way, we all lose. Hail Xenu.
-Love Poland. And sure, I'll 5 you, you crazy Christian you.
i like that you offered the apology, but how can you say you respect someone's beliefs and yet still say that if they believe in evolution they're ignorant? ignoring the facts in front of you is ignorance. darwin was in school to be a priest, and he revelled in the miracle of nature, not in the attempt to remove 'god' from peoples' minds just because he coudl see how differing species can develop. we see evolution every day in all the breeds of dogs and horses and cats that people make, all the time.
We agnostic atheists don't hate your god, we'd just like to see some proof he exists. We don't try to convert anyone to atheism, And we're pissed off when we're accused of doing so -- especially when the accuser is trying to convert people to HIS religion. If you really want people to consider joining your religion, your best bet is to say why you're Christian -- not why other people should be as well.
This is more self-righteous than a real apology, IMO. And if you're going to post sites about Christianity, prepared to be downvoted. No one likes to be told what they do is wrong - it might be what you believe, but people have the right to believe what they want. I understand that you are strong in your faith and I respect you for that, now I wish you would respect those of us who are happy without religion. Different strokes for different folks and all that. You get an extra star for Chrono Cross.
At least i'm one of the few who thought about it instead of just thinking "not funny, downvoted." I know people have their own beleifs, and they have a right to say it publicly if they feel like it. (This is the "internets" after all.) I haven't seen any of your ytmnds, but if I come across one of yours, I'll remind myself of this apology.
Ezekial 25:17
The path of the rightous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and justice shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness for he is truely his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengence and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brother and you will now my name is the Lord when I lay my vengence upon thee.
"we'd just like to see some proof
he exists. We don't try to convert anyone to atheism, And we're pissed off when we're accused of doing so -- especially when the accuser is trying to convert people to HIS religion" -- exactly. i don't try to dissuade people from their religion. it pisses me off though when people feel it's their mission to usurp MY beliefs, especially without listening to or giving the same merit to mine.
As Benjamin Franklin once said, "For one to see Faith, one must close the eyes of Reason." Basicallly, not everyone in the 1700's believed in religion. Truth be told, religion is just a way to think differently. Plus, I don't like the fact that (From what I learned) that Earth was populated by 2 people. If that's true then we're all related. *Snaps cord to religion after THAT fiasco*
Jesus FTW!
Don't worry about all the downvoting haters. I can't understand how you can offer such a heartfelt apology and explanation, and they just turn around and spit at you like that. But then again, I'm a Christian (not to imply that all non-Christians are jerks, but these ones are). Maybe if you broke it up piece by piece and had it change screens every paragraph or so, they would stay to read the whole thing.
I'm at a great loss as to why Christianity is always related to Anti-darwinism, or why so many christians are creationists. To state firstly I'm not christian, but I hold no ill will towards anyones religious beliefs, that is outside my right to judge on that basis...But if there some god, we as humans could do little to scratch the surface in what this god amounts to, what is done by a god, and how a god puts things into motion...
What gets me most of all are the hardcore zeaots who feel the urge to mock, to ignore, and to have disdain towards the sciences. Why is the bible and darwin ununifiable? Why is what the bible states in the words of a god to man that passes as mear days to a lifeform that is considered infinite as being earth days? Again human cognetive inteference in explaining that which they cannot fathom, infinity hurts to think about and it seems to me it hurts people to think about the fact that a book that if true
states that something occurred in X amount of time from the eyes of something not bound by our earths rotational period, that this definition itself should be held to an earthly rotational chronology. In all the miracles stated in the bible as occurring I doubt any of it occurred as it was stated, but if it had occurred it was simply stated as it was fathomed by those prophets given their knowledge. It is my firm belief that given the existance of a god *no religion stated here* that whatever is done
by this god is held rigorously to the physics of the universe. Of course many hardright christians seemingly disregard this likelyhood but let me table this to you. If god did create the universe, this god is THUS the universe and as such science is simply the observable aspect of this god and his creation. That's not hard to swallow is it? It makes perfect sense. I believe firmly in evolution, but this doesn't say I don't believe in a god, I don't know if a god exists, my belief in evolution does
nothing to prove or disprove his existance unless you in your close minded approach to emprical evidences state that the LITERAL interpretation of genesis IS proof of god and thus by showing evolution as a plausible hypothesis you are denying god, again this is ridiculous. So try and understand that Evolution does not equal godlessness, nor does belief in a god require it to be stated that evolution is indeed false. It is my personal belief that to ignore stringently based on a hard strict interpretation
Any true christian does not believe that some god throws nonbelievers into hell.
After all, christianity isn't even known to everyone, and a god that willfully condemned, oh, billions of people...say, these living around ~100 AC on the american continent - wouldn't be a god but a monster.
;)
That's the issue. A loving god does not do what you claim he does. ;) So either your god isn't loving, but completely insane, or he doesn't care that much if you believe in him. I'd say the later.
What the... hell? There's so many ways I can come up with to prove how much of an idiot you are, but there's no room for that. I'll just keep to saying this: Keep your f*cking religions to yourself. There's a whole other world out there with tons of religions that other people believe in, trying to spread yours doesn't do anything besides piss people off. Therefore, shut the hell up and swallow a knife.
let me ask you a simple question? do u believe people who believe in more than 1 god are wrong (polytheism)?,
as soon as u figure out why they are wrong, then u will understand why i dont choose to believe in your 1 god. the jump from multiple gods to 1, and the jump from 1 to zero are the same thing. think about it, and realize you have been worshipping nothing.
christianity is the belief in a book and a man who promised slaves a better life (regardless if he was a honky, spade, arabian or jewish) and so long as you don't take that out of proportions I don't care. I guess I accept your apology but I request you try to keep your mind as open as possible (socially speaking...)
Let me go ahead and add something else here, before I leave. I don't think the problem lies in differences of opinion. Whether someone is truly faithful or not (which is rather subjective if you think about it) should not cause conflict. The problems arise when humans have too much PRIDE (yes, it's related to faith too) in their opinions, and become so confident that they are correct.. that they feel the need to defend their beliefs to the point of argument, conflict, and even war in some cases.
Answer me this... why can't I just say "I DON'T KNOW" when someone asks me if I believe in God, or asks me the origins of life. I'm being honest, is that such a horrible thing? The irony is that humans are afraid of saying that, because it makes them look stupid. Humans who let pride control their behavior fear looking stupid to others. Why do humans conform to groups? To fit in, feel comfortable, feel ACCEPTED. Humans want others to like them too much, to a fault in some cases.
So I can still believe in God, I can still believe in evolution, and many other things... I'm just not 100% sure of them. Discussing opinions should be for fun, instead of for attacking others with rhetoric and "winning" an argument. Is it really that horrible to be a humble, open-minded human? Is it really "stupid" to admit we don't understand something?
F*ck you church-freak. Take this sh*t somewhere else. All religions centered on worshipping a god or gods are bullsh*t. Religion was made because we couldn’t answer things like "where are we from?" or "what is our purpose?" so we made sh*t up to comfort ourselves. Also, the idea of an after-life was created to make us believe we were going to be somewhere when we die. No, we won't be, sorry. And if there is an afterlife, it isn’t any heaven or hell like your sh*tty belief structure tells you.
Oh BTW...Don't even try to shove your beliefs down my throat you little idiot, claiming your trying to help me. That’s bullsh*t. I remember another one of your religion, in history, who conquered a native culture's land in an effort to "Help them" to accept Christ. F*ck you, and your whole self- righteous religious body. Self-centered prick.
I'm giving you a 2. Here is why: 5 for apology, however -2 for still having an arrogant air around you, and -1 for preaching in an apology. Thus you have a 2. Get a live, cuz you cant have Jesus's. He already lived it. The point Christ's teachings is to be a good person and live a happy life, not one in constant servitude and harassment of others.
"...and I still think that anyone going around saying there is no God, or that evolution is real is ignorant." Later.. "I do respect your beliefs, don't get me wrong..." Nice contradiction you've got there. Also, in response to your comment "as for evidence of God, ask Him, and mean it and want it, ull get your evidence", what kind of vague, nonsensical response is that? Evolution, unlike religion, is based on DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE. The Bible is not evidence of anything. It is just as subjective as DIANETICS.
"Chichiri, im going to be making a YTMND about my problems with evolution,
stay tuned"
Wow, this will be fun. Just so you know, in order to attack evolution you have to attack the actual theory and not just set up a straw-man and knock it down, as that will only make people ridicule you even more. Also, MANY CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT EVOLUTION IS TRUE. Unfortunately, they are mostly educated and live in Europe. American ignorant Christians believe that the old testament is literal, which is laughable.
Atheists are dumbasses who can't get over the fact that they got raped when they were kids or they can't get rid of their Antares sized ego. And Peterguy, shut the f*ck up, you're only making it worse. These guys don't feel psychological pain. They've been desensitized. That's what I respect about them. You have to make fun of them or use "bad words" because they don't respond to anything else. Atheists, please get over yourselves. I'm no saint and neither are you f*ggots.
*sigh* Ok, fine. As much as I hate salesmen, I guess we gotta respect his beliefs. After all, I was very unhappy for awhile until I found my religion. But Peterguy, even if you care for us doesn't mean you have the right to act like a teamkilling f*cktard. People who beat their kids (and not like disicpline) think their helping. Doesn't make it right. So don't abuse others beliefs, or they'll get mad and abuse yours. Please.
Even if you did give reason why other beliefs are wrong, like evolution and such, would people really accept it or try to make you wrong? Always remember, real Christians don't run out and condemn others, shove their religion down peoples throats and act better then everyone. Anyone doing so is a hypocrit. Also, don't put a religion or group down just because people did things claiming to be in the name or said religion or group.
There are so many logical contradictions in the bible I am not even going to begin to start. Mainly, I want to know how being an atheist is more convenient than being a christian. I mean, knowing that after you die you will go to an eternity of happiness and that there is someone helping your every action is a hell of a lot more convenient than thinking that you are completely on your own.
People are atheists not because of the supposed "convenience", but because it makes logical sense that there is, in fact, no invisible being that loves everyone for absolutely no reason, yet feels the need to completely kill us all with a flood, give the most evil being in the universe his own kingdom, and not give us any feasable evidence of his existance.
No one here can prove or disprove it. They can make good supportive arguments but no one on either side has really made any breakthroughs. I myself have faith and believe in God but I don't pretend I have knowledge or proof like most athiests and religious people do. Now that's just looking foolish. Faith isn't about evidence anyway~
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don't worry pal, a creationist calling me stupid and ignorant isn't an insult at all. It is irony. You go ahead, love your god all you want. You can ask me to join your religion if you have to (as long as you respect my right to say no). But seriously, don't try to claim that your faith is grounded in science, when it obviously, and inherently cannot be.
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