Hypocrisy on YTMND (OMG Muhammad)
Created on: August 17th, 2006
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"When it comes down to it, Islam is actually a religion, and
Scientology is actually a global scam." - by definition, they're both religions and cults. In the second frame I also pointed out how the same ones who downvoted Islam due to "racism" upvoted insults against Christianity and anti-Semitic YTMNDs.
look you totally missed the point. If you think n*gg* stole my bike is worse or even comparable to that cartoon, you're crazy. The cartoon was bad because it seemed almost purposely created to enrage ppl. That's why I 1'd it. Trying to piss off a religious group is not funny. You want to make fun of a religious group, that's different. It can be funny. Even if it's my religion, whatever, it could be funny. Purposely trying to piss ppl off though is totally different.
wait you said making fun of islam isn't really racist but being anti semetic is. judaism is a religion and not a race as well. but i agree with what you have wrote. you have to understand that people are going to laugh at immature and racist/ sexist things. especially on this website. you just have to ignore it for the most part because its all for the sake of comedy. I think people in general really need to lighten up and learn how to laugh at themselves and others.
Being anti-Semitic is a form of racism toward Jews. Jews are an ethnic group, but Judaism is the religion. Many ethnic Jews are highly critical of Judaism, and many semi-religious Jews (like Reform) are critical of the more strict branches of Judaism. That isn't the type of thing I was referring to when I mentioned anti-Semitism.
Good investigation. However, in one part your remarks seem to imply that all people who follow Islam are backwards in culture. (Women being lesser, for example) Yes, the Quran can be interpreted that way, but not everyone does. Religion is what many people use as a basis for their own spiritual well-being. Most people do not blindly follow the instructions of their institution, and it is not for us to judge those who do. (Unless, of course, they become extremists and hurt others, that's the terrorism.)
"What if I downvoted that site cause it just sucked and 5'd the Unfunny
Truth about Scientology becuase it was a skillful production? Would I still be a hypocrite?" - Nope. That is why I pointed out people who cited racism or bigotry as their reason for downvoting, rather than the quality of the YTMND.
I agree with your views on hypocrisy, but a lot of it is just tied up in ignorance too.
lol, to tell you the truth, I was kinda hoping you'd post my comment, so I'd get a chance to argue with you. I just told him 1 for a lack of class and 5 for excess guts = 3. Completely mediocre.
PM me if you'd like to discuss this in depth. I'm actually pretty intrigued.
"Fixed this for you: "without question CHRISTIANITY has caused more death
and destruction in the last 50 years than any other religion or cult" - Not in the last 50 years. Perhaps in the history of the two religions Christianity has been the catalyst for more death, but not in the last 50 years. Likewise, I got my information from human rights groups that have denounced Sharia as a human rights violation coupled with the # of countries that practice Sharia.
"You can't compare scientology and Islam" - Why not? Comparative religious studies does just that. The fact is, Scientology is a religion by definition. To deny it because of the fact that it is a cult (and most exclusive religions are literally defined as cults, including Islam and Christianity) and a scam is really to redefine terms.
Maybe. But nobody ACTUALY believes in Scientology, its all a con. The site implied that all Muslims are suicide bombers, which is a lot more serious than general stupidity from other faiths. Raptor Jesus isn't actualy making a statement about the entire religion is it? (Yes, I FAV'D a site on that)Make fun of crazy individuals by all means (Hitler, Bush, etc.) but entire religious ethics are a different matter.
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"The site
implied that all Muslims are suicide bombers, which is a lot more serious
than general stupidity from other faiths." - Islam is the only religion where you have to affix a disclaimer "Not all Muslims believe this." When you comment on other things, like Christian beliefs regarding evolution, no one has to say "but not all Christians believe that." We know they don't. Same with Muslims. However, the # of Muslims that support violent terror is much larger than acknowledged...
...MI6, the intelligence agency in the UK, reported recently in the BBC that 1/3 of British Muslims support violent resistance or attack. This is coming from a Western nation with a large liberal Muslim population. Based on that, try to imagine how it is in the Middle East or Indonesia. I know, I've lived in Muslim countries.
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Ali - While Hitler was a Christian and killed millions of Jews and non-Jews in camps, in the 20th century he was the exception to the rule. This is unlike Sharia, which is the rule in Islamic countries rather than the exception. I should also point out that pointing the finger at Hitler and saying "but he was a Christian and look what he did!" doesn't take the heat off Islamic crimes. I'm not a Christian, you wont get me to buckle with your red herring.
ANOTHER F*CKING RACIST IGNORANT C*CKSUCKER. F*GGOT LEARN SOMETHING, CHRISTIANITY CAUSED HITLER TO KILL 6 MILLION JEWS. WIKIPEDIA, AND ALL ENYCLOPEDIA'S PROVE THAT HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN. ADOLF HITLER. HAHAHA F*GGOT CHRISTIANANOTHER F*CKING RACIST IGNORANT C*CKSUCKER. F*GGOT LEARN SOMETHING, CHRISTIANITY CAUSED HITLER TO KILL 6 MILLION JEWS. WIKIPEDIA, AND ALL ENYCLOPEDIA'S PROVE THAT HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN. ADOLF HITLER. HAHAHA F*GGOT CHRISTIANANOTHER F*CKING RACIST IGNORANT C*CKSUCKER. F*GGOT LEARN SOMETHI
When you people make fun of Jesus, it's "LOL, JESUS R TEH GHEY!" And of course Christians won't do anyhting about it, why? We're urged to by our religion. Meanwhile, Islamic people seem to whip out the death threats when Muhammed shows up. We don't say we'll kill/kidnap you for making stuff like Raptor Jesus with anti-semetic music in the backround. Scientologists get no respect because they're dumb enough to read a book about it. And Islamic people are so dumb they din't even use Toilet Paper.
STOP KICKING A DEAD F*CKING HORSE. WHO GIVES A SH*T ABOUT THE CARTOONS. THEY WERE FUNNY, SOME OVEREACTED BUT YOU F*GGOTS KEEP PICKIGN ON OLD ISSUES. WE GOT TWO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND YOU *SSH*L*ES ARE STILL WHINING ABOUT THIS. GO WATCH FOX NEWS OR SOMETHING WHINEY BITCHES.STOP KICKING A DEAD F*CKING HORSE. WHO GIVES A SH*T ABOUT THE CARTOONS. THEY WERE FUNNY, SOME OVEREACTED BUT YOU F*GGOTS KEEP PICKIGN ON OLD ISSUES. WE GOT TWO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND YOU *SSH*L*ES ARE STILL WHINING ABOUT THIS. GO
Ali - I'm Jewish, I'm not a Christian. I'm well aware of Christianity's presence, and Hitler's Christianity, in Nazi Germany. It doesn't change the fact that tens of millions of women are being oppressed this very minute due to Islam. Saudi Arabia reminds me of a ghetto for women much like ghettos for Jews existed in Christian Europe.
Why is everyone tiptoe-ing around Muslims all the time in fear of invoking violence. The more people that roll over for them the worse the whole situation will get. I fail to understand why they can claim racism when they are forced to have security checks in airports. If all terrorists appear to be Muslim it's most logical to check them out first. As people, Muslims are very friendly, but knowing that there's only radicalism from Muslims you'd have to think that the religion is the cause.
STOP KICKING A DEAD F*CKING HORSE. WHO GIVES A SH*T ABOUT THE CARTOONS. THEY WERE FUNNY, SOME OVEREACTED BUT YOU F*GGOTS KEEP PICKIGN ON OLD ISSUES. WE GOT TWO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND YOU *SSH*L*ES ARE STILL WHINING ABOUT THIS. GO WATCH FOX NEWS OR SOMETHING WHINEY BITCHES.STOP KICKING A DEAD F*CKING HORSE. WHO GIVES A SH*T ABOUT THE CARTOONS. THEY WERE FUNNY, SOME OVEREACTED BUT YOU F*GGOTS KEEP PICKIGN ON OLD ISSUES. WE GOT TWO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND YOU *SSH*L*ES ARE STILL WHINING ABOUT THIS. GO
JEWS WERE KILLED BY A CHRISTIAN. CHECK WIKIPEDIA. HITLER PROCLAIMS HIS CHRISTIANITY VIA SEVERAL QUOTES IN SPEECHES HE MADE. YOU JEWS PICKED THE WRONG ENEMY. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MILLIONS OF SONS OF NAZIS THAT RAPED, AND FORCED JEWS INTO CHAMBERS AND THEN GASSED THEM? FEW MUSLIMS WERE NAZIS, THOSE WHO WERE WERE CHRISTIAN (ADOLF HITLER) OR ATHEIST
NOW JEWS STARTED ANOTHER WAR IN ISRAEL, THIS TIME ATTACKING LEBANON AND NOT EVEN TOUCHING HEZBOLLAH PROCLAIMING THEIR ATTACKS AND A NO STANCE POLICY FOR MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES. MORE RACISM BY A JEWISH NATION WHICH HAS KILLED CLOSE TO 2000 INNOCENT LEBANESE AND MAINLY CHRISTIAN. ISRAEL = TERRORIST STATE
"Why is everyone tiptoe-ing around Muslims all the time in fear of invoking violence." - You answered your own question there. People are more afraid of violence than they are of giving up civil liberties and the right to be critical of religion. Much like people were afraid to be critical of the church throughout the Middle Ages and up until very recently due to being branded a heretic and executed, people are afraid to be critical of Islam becaus they will be branded an infidel and become a target.
Ali - Are you aware that Muslims supported Hitler during WW2? The Palestinian Nazi Party formed during that time period and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Husseini visited Eichmann and actually oversaw the execution of Jews in gas chambers. Husseini obtained blueprints for gas chambers and had plans to build them on Palestinian soil before Hitler lost the war.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PICTURE WITH THE VATICAN AND THE NAZI LEADERS.
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NOW JEWS STARTED ANOTHER WAR IN ISRAEL... I LOL'ed at this!! Listen to the Lebonese after the war and they all say their not going to stop attacking Israel ever. Isreal was forced to attack Lebanon because they knew for damn sure that as soon as Lebanon had the chance they'd attack Isreal and they just want to live in peace.
BIG CAPITAL LETTERS CATCH YOUR ATTENTION! Who cares if you have c*ckslap on, it doesn't make your message worth any more time. Christianity didn't make Hitler do anything. Any religion did not make Hitler kill Jews. He did that for his vision for the world he wanted to rule that he came up with himself.
In public statements, especially before 1938, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and belief in Christ. In doing so, he used his "ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity", according to Ian Kershaw. [11] For example, on March 23, 1933, he addressed the Reichstag: "The National Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism) as factors essen
"It is the extremists causing death on both sides of the conflict." - Islamic terrorists have stated, such as in the Hamas charter, "we do this for Islam." It sounds like it causes it to me. The problem is that people brush off extremism as being something other than the religion while they accept modern moderate forms as being the actual religion. Extremism in Islam dates back to its beginning, whereas moderate forms of Islam are basically modern revisions.
MMM YEAH, IF YOU'RE JEWISH WHY DO YOU ATTACK MUSLIMS WHO WEREN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN WW2? IF IT WASN'T FOR THE CHRISTIAN ADOLF HITLER, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISRAEL BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE IN GERMANY BANGING THE BITCHES THERE. CHRISTIANITY CAUSES WW2, JEWS KILLED BY CHRISTIAN AND ATHEIST NAZIS BY GAS, THEN RUN TO PALESTINE
"The only problem with this YTMND is the fact that you're recognizing
Scientology as a religion." - It technically is. Its studied as a religion and recognized as such by the academic world. It doesn't make it any less of a cult or scam. I think part of the sematic game of not calling it 'religion' is because it is a minority cult group and to call it a 'religion' means we would have to pretend that its equal to other religions. Because we all know its not PC to admit the fact...
Religion- Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
I'm downvoting because your argument is highly flawed. Most noticably was the supposed "fact" that islam has killed the most people in the last 50 years. And don't forget the justification of making fun of them for how their society is. Wasn't so long ago that we were about the same. When did we pass the right for women to vote? And when did the whole women's liberation take place?
Ali - I think I pointed out that Muslim Arabs were in fact involved in WW2. The post-Ottoman Turks (Muslims) were allied with Germany, not the Allies, during WW2. Likewise, political parties in the Arab world formed in support of the Nazi regime, such as the Palestinian Nazi Party. Husseini tried to build gas chambers in the Middle East.
NoAstrology, if you're going to say that moderate islam is just the new reversion you can say the same about moderate Christianity as the religions share a lot of their rules and morals, Islam has a few more rules and a few different morals, but at the core they came from the same reigon and are essentially the same religion. Hell, in Islam Jesus is aknowlaged as a major prophet.
OF COURSE MUSLIMS WERE INVOLVED WITH THE NAZIS. IT WAS A BIG F*CKING ORGANIZATION. THE TURKS HAD HEAVY TIES TO NAZISM. BUT CHRISTIANITY MADE UP A BULK OF THE GROUP. LOOK AT THE VATICAN'S ENDORSEMENTS AND THE PICTURES. AND WHAT RELIGION WERE ALL THOSE NAZIS IN THE ARMY? MUSLIM? BUDDHIST? SCIENTOLOGIST? WHITE MUSLIMS MY ASSSSS
STOP KICKING A DEAD F*CKING HORSE. WHO GIVES A SH*T ABOUT THE CARTOONS.
THEY WERE FUNNY, SOME OVEREACTED BUT YOU F*GGOTS KEEP PICKIGN ON OLD
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WHINING ABOUT THIS. GO WATCH FOX NEWS OR SOMETHING WHINEY BITCHES.STOP
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"NoAstrology, if you're going to say that moderate islam is just the new
reversion you can say the same about moderate Christianity" - I agree. Moderate Christianity is quite new as well. However, today most Christians could be defined as 'moderate' compared to how they were 10 centuries ago, such as a separation of church and state. Islam hasn't made that type of progress. Most Islamic nations have no separation of church and state and broadly apply Islamic law that is really quite extreme.
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The original topic of the YTMND was the fact that people tiptoe around Islam and are afraid to parody it due to social stigmas resulting from threats of Islamic extremism. Ali, you're attempting to defend Islam by shifting the blame. Its not going to work. Blaming Christianity for the Holocaust doesn't change the fact that people are being killed and women are being oppressed due to Sharia this very minute. So please, give it a rest. Your red herring tactics and wild internet extremism shames Islam more.
When its an extremist, why do people try to dissociate them with the religion? Such as saying "extremist individuals." But when they are moderates, they suddenly become "Muslims" or "Christians." The fact is, the extremists are just as much a part of Islam, if not moreso, than the moderates. And religion, any religion, just like any philosophy or belief system, can and does cause extremism in many cases.
True "Islam", the belief itself, has never killed anyone. A Qur'an has never jumped off the shelf and beat someone to death. But the philosophy has directly resulted in people killing. Its like its technically true to say Nazi political philosophies have never killed anyone. The beliefs themselves didnt, they just directly caused millions of deaths. Its the same thing, only a semantic issue.
...and Christianity, I'd mention. Personally, I think the "hypocrites" are reacting more against those who they perceive as being mindlessly prejudiced against Islam, instead of feeling any trepidation before, or compulsion to defend, Islam. Which isn't to speak of the "I don't want to be on a hit list" types.
I can't help but inform you that you're biased yourself. You said that Islam is responsible for far more deaths than Scientology, but this is disingenuous. How many deaths has Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, ect. caused? A lot of killing have been made in the name of religion. However, murder is strictly abhorred in all of them. No, it is the work of extremists who unfortunately put a bad light onto a good religion. If you really want the truth, you must investigate for yourself.
"You said that Islam is responsible for far more deaths than Scientology, but this is
disingenuous. How many deaths has Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, ect. caused?" - Actually I didn't tally only deaths, but overall human rights abuses only within the last 50 years. Because Sharia in practice is defined as a human rights violation, and it exists in virtually all Islamic countries (making up just less than 1/3 of the total human population) we have a much larger number.
"The phisophy of Islam hasn't resulted in killing. It is people using the name of religion to try to excuse their unexcusable deeds." - Yes, it has. And violent Muslims admit it. In fact, it clearly states that Islam is the reason they do what they do in the HAMAS charter. The 'religion is an excuse' argument is PC nonsense. Religion is a belief system, and beliefs cause actions.
i am guilty of being racist, and hypocritical. I have seen things make fun of jesus, chuckled, and even given them 5's, even though i am a christian. Everyone and everything can be made fun of, everything has flaws. People do just fine being racist until someone is racist towards them. Sometimes, people need to learn to deal with things like this
Oh... and the one thing that irked me about the cartoon itself: the fact that the missile had YTMND on it. That's a "not in my name!" situation for many YTMND members. What of those who are Muslims? Who are offended by sodomy? Who frankly just don't like having the image of an old dude getting a phallic-shaped object with their fac= name on it rammed up his pooper? By virtue of that name, every user here is being grouped in by the drawing of one, much like many individual Muslims are stereotyped...
"I'm just saying because the site you picked for me wasnt antisemetic at all
(arabs are semites too btw...)" - Yes, I visited it. It was anti-Semitic. Its the type of anti-Semitism veiled in a distortion of Israel; painting the Jewish State as weak and seeking conflict. Its the type of anti-Semitism recognized by advocacy groups like the ADL as "New anti-Semitism." Martin Luther King Jr. remarked regarding this, "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitim."
^Also keep in mind the term 'anti-Semitism' is not an antonym for Semitism. It refers exclusively to Jews. The term was invented by Wilhelm Marr who founded an anti-Jewish group in Germany. It always bothers me when people say "but Arabs are Semites too!" Same word, not the same definition. Likewise, its worse when people attempt to make an 'argument by ethnicity' whereby they say Arabs can't be anti-Semitic because they are Semites. Not true, and a logical fallacy. Many Arabs are notoriously anti-Semitic.
"5'd for my name. BTW "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you
are talking anti-Semitim." O rly? http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/" - ya rly. Groups like that are fringe sects and rejected by mainstream Judaism as well as anti-Semitism advocacy groups like the ADL. Finding Jews who partake in anti-Semitism, and thus claiming it can't be anti-Semitism, would be the fallacious argument by ethnicity.
Though for the record, there is legitimate criticism of Zionism and then there is anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionism. When Martin Luther King Jr. made his address at Harvard and responded to a question with that comment, the young man appeared to King as veiling his anti-Semitism as anti-Zionism. Its quite common, and thus gave rise to the term "New anti-Semitism" in contrast to "Classical anti-Semitism"
Greenweed, depends on which group of anti-Zionist Jews you're talking about. Most anti-Zionist Jewish groups are either Haredi, extremely religious extremists, or far-left (anarchists like Noam Chomsky). I don't have any more response for fringe groups of Jews that work against Jewish interestes any more than I did for the thousands of Jews that actually joined the Nazi army in Germany and partook in killing their brothers.
Well, Zionism doesn't equal Judaism. However, Judaism is the religion, Jewish is the ethnicity. Israel is a Jewish state and Zionism is a Jewish philosophy. People often disguise their anti-Semitism, which clearly isn't PC, in a more PC veil of anti-Zionism. Not all anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic, but some certainly is. And Israel and Zionism provide a convienent outlet for anti-Semites to express themselves without being outright labeled as such.
Accusations of anti-Semitism can be used that way, yes. But it doesn't happen as much as the anti-Semites would like to paint. People who are notoriously anti-Semitic like David Duke (leader of the KKK) and Noam Chomsky (a Jewish anarchist and extremist on the far left) have tried to excuse their anti-Semitism by saying "They're just calling me anti-Semitic because I criticize Israel and they want to silence me." I havn't once actually seen a notable person attempt to do such a thing...
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