Who Murdered the Most People?
Created on: October 4th, 2006
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...its people like you who give athiests a bad name. Nothing of what you showed could even in the slightest bit link barbaric behavior to Atheism. The numbers that you showed was a product of dictatorship and irrisponsible leadership, NOTHING to do with atheism.
What you are doing is spreading predjudice propaganda with a motive wich is very UN-Catholic of you, to spread hate, unjust nonsence to a website wich is suppose to entertain people. Instead you start this mindless argument... tisk tisk
The number isn't made up, though it does encompass a large enough number to equal annihilation for a few countries in Europe if they were to all happen at once. Of course the crusades happened over a period of a few centuries. The first crusade started in the late 11th century and others (like the Crusade of Varna) lasted through the 16th-17th century (if not longer). We are not talking an over-night vanishing. This is also the deaths caused by all sides (though the Catholics were the main killers).
Also, there has been no case made linking ANY political style to atheism. This is because atheism is specifically no belief in gods. There isn't any dogma on a way to live or who to follow. In fact communism is very dogmatic and religious in nature. You are not to question the upper tiers, not to speak ill of the government, not to think or question them. This is contrary to the skepticism (an atheistic trait). In reality, not even half of communist countries have been lead by atheists (despite pop opinion).
Quote Whetstone: "As for school, I haven't been to school in a number of years." .... yeah man, its blatently apparent. Your YTMND is FALSE... it is GOD who has killed the most people. In fact... its part of his "PLAN" he so far has killed... 100% of the people on Earth to fit his "PLAN" so... perhaps you should fix your YTMND.
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The problem with atheism is it is easy to think you are above the law. When there is no higher authority you may do what ever you want without consequences. I would like to see atheists examine their own beliefs and consider the existence of God objectively. Do you outright deny the existence of God without a second thought because of your own fear. If he exists you will be held accountable.
^ Lotus, your attitude here is sanctimonious and insulting. Chances are most athiests live by the "love thy neighbor, do unto others" notions of Christianity, doing so out of love of humanity rather than a strict love of God. The basis for rejecting religious doctine isn't rooted in the rejection of morality, but rather the desire for intellectual growth.
I am sorry if you were offended because of the above appearing sanctimonious or insulting. But I stand by everything I have said. It was more of a justification for why some world leader’s commit atrocities. It did however neglect the fact that some people are immoral, from every religion. As for religion inhibiting intellectual growth, that can be true if you do as the catholic church had done. Care must be taken that your scientific understanding is not grounded in scripture, as some of scripture is symbolic. The catholic church takes pride in her belief that she has authority over doctrine.
Thank you Lotus for addressing me gracefully. As for what you said being a "justification for why some world leaders commit atrocities" that indeed follows the logic of this YTMND which is faulty overall, as so many others have already pointed out. It is difficult to say whether such leaders who committed atrocities did so as to "deny their maker," if in fact they did not believe a maker existed to begin with.
I don't feel "deny" is the best word to use in your arguments (regardless of its use in the Bible, ie "you will deny me three times") because it suggests an existing belief met with haughty defiance rather than honest confusion or polite disagreement. In the case of the question you posed earlier, I now get the feeling that it was similarly honest as opposed to a mere sanctimonious fit, so I apologize as well.
As for the your mentions of the Catholic church...regardless of one's opinion of the Vatican we are no longer living in the 12th century. Coincidentally IIRC, many Catholics are now willing to consider that aspects of the Bible are likely symbolic. Harboring negativity toward Catholicism vs. Protestanism is counterproductive in this day and age.
^ Eh? I can only interpret this as a disregard for any arguments against this YTMND, those arguments being that mere atheism (or agnosticism) did *not* account for the carrying out of various atrocities. I invite you to read: http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8341.htm for some added perspective. I was not addressing agnosticism in my reply, your mention of agnostics seemingly amounts to confused name-calling.
"The problem with atheism is it is easy to think you are above the law.
When there is no higher authority you may do what ever you want without
consequences." Buddhists are above Christian laws, yet they seem a lot more peaceful. You can do anything that atheists can do, and you will face the EXACT SAME CONSEQUENCES. Whether God exists or doesn't. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought that God punishes atheists and Christians both for murder. Or, they receive no punishment at all in the afterlife...
if there is no god. So, really, what you're saying is not that they're above any laws, but they only follow the laws that they believe exist. Also, there are laws that govern action in real life. That's what governments are for. It's not a coincidence that civilizations develop these systems of laws. The difference between govermental punishment and religious punishment is that one is demonstrative and one is retributive. Another difference, especially with Christianity, is that you can get out...
of your punishment for free if you just repent and feel sorry for what you have done. That's not really an effective deterrent. In fact the secular system (not atheist, mind you, secular. Attacking atheism is like attacking shadows. There's nothing there. There is no organization called atheism, there is no moral code called atheism, there is simply a lack of belief in god or gods, by definition, just as a shadow is a lack of light) does a much better job of giving people incentive to act lawfully.
"I would like to see atheists examine their own beliefs and
consider the existence of God objectively. Do you outright deny the
existence of God without a second thought because of your own fear. If he
exists you will be held accountable." I would like to see an objective basis for the soundness of the claims made in the bible. If you cannot provide one, then by the burden of proof and the principle of sufficient reason I cannot objectively give the bible's claims any merit.
I don't deny the existence of god at all. Atheism has nothing to do with denying the existence of god. All that is required to be an atheist is a lack of accepting a belief in god. Do you believe that I have 5 dollars in my hand? Certainly you have no reason to believe it, but you don't have any reason to believe that I don't. You simply withhold belief until given proper reason. This is atheism. If withheld belief that I had 5 dollars in my hand, I would say that you were rational.
If I were god, and created you, and you, through your own reason, withheld belief that I had 5 dollars in my hand, should I smite you for your lack of faith? Are you not responsible for your belief? Is this not a dishonest question, as you have no belief, and if you did have belief would have a belief only as strong as the evidence that proves that I have 5 dollars in my hand? Would it not be my fault if I couldn't prove to you that I had 5 dollars in my hand, and not yours?
What, exactly, am I afraid of? I guarantee you that I live a better life than you do, morally. I don't really care whether or not you doubt that, I am responsible for my own actions and I always do what I deem to be correct. Is it that I fear being held responsible? Or is it that I don't wish to waste my life on something that I have no reason to believe? I have as much reason to believe in Scientology as in Christianity, which is to say none, and it would be WRONG for me to believe in either one of them...
unless God or Xenu gives me rational proof of his existence and the validity of the claims made in their respective teachings. Period. Keep your fearmongering to yourself. I fear nothing, and if God exists then I'd say, "What up. How's it going?", but I have no reason to believe that he does. I'd prefer the Greek gods, anyways, they're a lot more exciting and realistic.
^ Nuroticat. I was referring to your statement "because it suggests an existing belief met with haughty defiance rather than honest confusion or polite disagreement. " This implies atheism by ‘hauntly defiance,’ and agnostic by 'honest confusion.' There is no middle ground here, someone is either theistic, agnostic, or atheist. I am not agreeing with this ytmnd, because it takes statistics way out of context.
A buddhist and an "atheist" hold the same view on Christianity, a Christian and an "atheist" hold the same view on buddhism. The "atheist" respects both views, and thus concludes that neither is right for sure. The Christian, however, holds that all buddhists are wrong and will burn in hell, as with every other person who belongs to any other religion, and any other Christian sect in some cases. Hooray for compassion!
Korf, by being a theist (believing in any God at all) one is automatically disqualified from being an atheist (one who believes in no God at all). Saying that theists are atheists to other gods is rather irrelivant. Theists believe in one God to the exclusion of others. Their worldview dictates disbelief in other gods. Atheists on the other hand must come up with some other excuse or reason why NO gods at all exist. So you see the theist and the atheist are in different boats all together.
"Atheists on the other hand must come up
with some other excuse or reason why NO gods at all exist." This is most certainly not the case. I don't have to justify the non-existence of anything. It is logically impossible to disprove the existence of God, Allah, or anything that could differentiate between them. THE BUREN OF PROVE IS ON THE PERSON WHO MAKES A POSITIVE ASSERTION. This is a basic logical principle. You don't need a reason to not have belief in anything other than a lack of reason to believe.
gee-whiz, but I dunno...it just seems a liiiitle better to be an atheist looking for answers than a "christian " who USES HIS FAITH AS HIS PRINCIPLE EXCUSE TO TORTURE, RAPE, AND MUTILATE... but in a sense, yer right...Atheists "DO" have A LOT more difficulty in finding justification for such acts...they haven't got such a CONVENIENT EXCUSE like YOU DO. meh...lucky you...have fun raping and pillaging...
You keep repeating yourself Korf. But no amount of repetition will make it any more true. Just because you say you merely have 'lack of belief' in a God you are also saying that Christians or theists are wrong- meaning that you have an assertive belief. Stop hiding and own up to your assertions. And remember- you are in my comments not vice-versa. You have no place telling me to stop.
Bullsh*t to English Translator:
Bullsh*t: Stop making religious YTMND's! They are offensive and not politically correct! I'm gonna tattle tale to Max on you! Oooooo, your'e gonna be in big trouble, I'm telling, nya nya nya!
English Translation: I need to harass everyone who has different religious views than I do, so I demand that anything that offends me should be banned, even though I could just as easily use my brain and not watch it, or get a life and do something useful with my time.
"No amount of repetition will make it any more true." Right back at ya. This statement is ironic coming from someone who held no qualms about unleashing multiple graceless YTMND's on the community for the sole purpose of informing people of the "truth." You don't want to encourge discussion, you want to point fingers. Nuff's enuff.
@ Lotus107: I was saying that the word deny "suggests an existing belief (in God) met with haughty defiance" which does not equal athiesm. It also has further negative connotation (ie the denying of guilt) Finger-pointing language FTL. The point I was making initially is that athiests do not necessarily disbelieve in a god so as to be haughtily defiant, or because it would enable them to be immoral or above any "laws."
Although they seem organized, facts are faulty. These dictatorships you speak of could easily have had soldiers that believe in the very god you believe in. You are using the dictator and country as a representitive. And, numbers are NEVER exact when it comes to massive calculations like such. YTMND is for humor, and not too many people are going to be "opening their eyes" on YTMND.
Yes, I am an Atheist. No, this is not a counter attack. 3'd, has a cause, but not very funny. At all.
i'm just wondering if all of your religious sites were intended to educate about christianity or to just bash atheism? i am very active in my church and it's the most important thing in my life, i am no where near athiest. HOWEVER, persecuting someone for there beliefs is definetly not the best way to bring them to christ. i merely say this because if the point of your YTMNDs is to cause controversy, i'm sure you got it. but then i ask, is that how you want other people to see christians or your church?
I havent read everyones comments and I care not to... just a quit note about Hitler... 11 million people died as a result of him and thats not including war casualties... if you counted them it would be well more the 11 million people (6 million jews, the rest were Polish, retards, handicaped, f*gs, opposing political partys, blacks, and most importantly... OPPOSERS TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) clearly Hitler was of the roman catholic church dispite his jew-ness
like peppercorns in a grinder, we will repeat EVERY mistake we have ever made, and the stakes will continue to grow with our capacity for destruction. many among us say Christ is coming at the end, but how can he ever get here if we keep repeating our history and never moving forward? for all ANY of us know (but nobody has ANY authority to claim with any certainty), humanity is trapped in a temporal paradox of our own design, and Jesus can't get IN until WE get ourselves OUT...
Atheists say that ignorant people kill in the name of religion. No, it was not the atheism that killed A QUARTER BILLION people, it was the arrogant elitism, that those at the top have the right to say who lives and who dies, because they know better. Because they have a Five Year Plan for the nation. Because they have the science on their side. But death is death, whether a suicide/homicide bombing, a gunshot on the streets of St Louis, an abortion, or a dictator's whims.
My country lost the greatest percentage of her population than any country in WWII. Almost 6 million Poles, that's 1 out of every 6 citizens of Poland were slaughtered by the Nazi invasion and occupation. You think you are cutting edge, clever in some way that you can drop the name of Poland, and end up attaching the atrocious Holocaust to my country?! Take a f*cking history lesson, and while you're at it, take a science class, you bible-thumping hillbilly dumbf*ck!
non-american history books are actually hard to come by, at least in my area. I'd rather talk to somebody who'd been there or has a close relative who had, anyhoo. My grandmother is german, but was barely a teenager at the wars end. She still knew enough that when a country was broken and it's families scattered, many, MANY young men were DRAFTED from the very countries that were conquered, and forced onto the front lines to be used as shock troops, human shields, reinforcements...I HATE being German...
You can't blame ALL atheists for the actions of of governments who were anti-theism. Firstly, not all atheists are against organized religion. Probably not even most. The word is "atheist", not "anti-theist". "Abiotic" would be a stone, not anti-biotics. Secondly, atheists are not part of any organized church or governmental system like Poles or Catholics are. You can't blame a non-theist for the actions of another. There aren't any commonly-held beliefs between non-theist, hence "non-theist".
I forgot about this YTMND.
There are no many fallacies in this argument, it's ridiculous.
Counting Muslim murders in the last century, but counting catholic murders from over 700 years ago.
Calling world leaders who oppose organized religion atheists is not always accurate. Many dictators have imposed their religion or beliefs then outlawed OTHER forms of religion. That does not make them atheists. I bet he's even counting the Nazis as atheists.
This YTMND is very poorly researched.
Here's one for ya: Why did atheists killed the most people? Is it A) because they're evil. B) They're doomed beings. C) For fun. D) They got tired of *ssh*les like you parading their annoying beliefs around in places they don't belong, like governments, my front doorstep, and YTMND. I'm glad to see you've been gone since April. Hopefully it's because the atheists killed you.
262 million? Are you f*cking high? Cut back on the blood of christ.
The totalitarian socialist regimes of the twentieth century may have been secular, but they were not rational. They came about as a result of a starving, victimized people grasping at straws. The secularism of these regimes is inconsequential. They were irrational, dogmatic, and insanely nationalistic (the one brain disease worse than religion). Look up Trofim Lysenko and Rootless Cosmopolitans. It might make you less of dumbass.
Long read, but seeing religion get FLAWLESSED was worth it. Example of how/why this guy/ytmnd is ignorant: Hitler was the cause of 55mil+ deaths(all of WWII, he earned it) "to uphold the race laws to the limit and to resist mercilessly the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry"- Adolf Hitler April 30, 1945
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm <---teh number
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hitler.html <---teh quote
^^^hey look i didnt just pull numbers from my *ss. Also, c*cks
I thought that this was worth a three or four at most, but here's a few extra stars for having to put up with all the hate. I like how so many people felt compelled to try to explain that Stalin and Mao and all the other mass genocide superstars weren't REAL atheists, but seem unable to comprehend that those who murder others tend not to be following the accepted teachings of the religion they claim as their own.
Appeal to motive fallacy. We felt compelled to point out that Stalin and Mao weren't atheists because they WEREN'T, not because we're hurt. What kind of atheist is a practicing Orthodox Christian or Chinese mysticist? And I'm curious how you can suggest that a man like Hulagu Khan could approach Baghdad, tell the ruling caliphate that they should surrender or "see what God has willed", and then massacre nearly a million Arabs and cause untold property destruction. Hulaga (a Buddhist, curiously enough)
That should read, "I'm curious how you can suggest that a man like Hulagu Khan could approach Baghdad, tell the ruling caliphate that they should surrender or "see what God has willed", and then massacre nearly a million Arabs and cause untold property destruction, AND THEN be somehow exempt from criticism as an example of the innately irrational and violent nature of belief in the supernatural."
lol its funny because your ignorant. the dictators didnt' kill those people cause they were aethiest you f*cking idiot they killed people organizing into groups, due to religion or any other thing like that, so they could keep people seperated and still in fear so they could keep their positions of power. it seems like it'd be easier to take the time you wasted makin this and actually think about the stuff your posting. kkthnx
This is one of the best YTMND's I've seen in many months. To upset the entire atheist crowd at once is hysterical. Especially that socialist loving mastersitsu. Here is another fact for all atheists... all gay men are also atheist.The real ideology behind the 262 million murders wasn't really atheism, it was leftism, socialism, what people calling themselves "liberal" these day believe in. It just happens all of those murdering scumbags were atheist. Also, Hitler hated Christianity.
Problems here... how exactly do you label the so called "Atheist kills"... do you list communism itself as Atheism killing? Which doesn't really work, because there are plenty of religious communists.... just because the concept of it was made by an Atheist doesn't mean that it's being run, owned, and is killing for, the sake of Atheism.
Last thing here... if somebody dies for a religion, of any kind, and it's the wrong one... technically, that person died for nothing. They could all be wrong...
This is ridiculous. One, those figures are grossly exaggerated, and two, they didn't murder them BECAUSE they were atheists. It's an unfair comparison - the Spanish Inquisition murdered their victims because of their religion, whereas regimes with no official religion didn't actually do it on basis of religion.
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Its interesting that rational people believe in nonsensical fairy tales and allow those to dictate rules for living their entire lives. And it's interesting that we no longer believe in Thor, the Thunder God. Religion is a way for people to escape. I dont know why you would want to escape, the beauty of the universe is very complex and mind blowing.
Mostly, religion is an excuse to say "our team is better than your team" and beat someone up. An excuse, a sorry excuse. No different than gangs.
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