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Ok...nice job claiming you're not anti-Catholic...you're not fooling anyone other than yourself. You love pointing out Catholic wrongs while never once mentioning any Protestant brutality against Catholics and other religious groups. There's f*cking plenty of that and I've witnessed vast amounts of it. You sh*te on everyone else's beliefs while never once criticising your own. That, my friend, is bigotry. YTMND is a place where we come to laugh...not get Sunday-schooled by some wannabe zealot.
I have no idea what you are trying to preach or how you are trying spread "Spirituality" by doing what you are doing. The arguments you present are not well thought out or even have the info backing them up. At the same time people tell you why you are wrong and you decide to pick and choose which people you will reply to. You only hear what you want. This is why you are like this. Either that or you are just a really good troll.
Also, you fail to mention an actual reason for making your, "Who Murdered the Most People" unless you actually mean that your only purpose was to show that the crusades are Catholic and not Christian and that recent genocides are not as bad as the crusades. These seem to be conflicting tasks, so you failed in that regard, but you also failed in the second regard.
If you want to prove that recent genocides are worse than the Crusades, you sould probably compare the Crusades to recent genocides. You may think you did, because you are a small minded idiot, but you quite obviously didn't. You compared the Crusades to the sum of all recent communist genocides, or at least those that you included (like my ytmnd said... your statistics leave a lot to be desired).
Now, if you had treated each genocide as its own then maybe you would've been on to something. After all, Poland was an atheist, communist state at that time and you decided to compare its genocide independently and yet decided to lump all of the others together. This is obviously contradictory, and we don't even know whether or not you included the Polish figures in the aggregate sum that you gave. You also didn't cite any sources or statistics, so your entire ytmnd was completely worthless.
Also you might want to frame the statistics with some periods of time or world population... as mentiond by someone in the comments section of your pitiful excuse for a ytmnd pointed out, the Crusades wiped out 1/6th of the world population. The Crusades were, as you actually accurately noted, driven by one organization, the Catholics. Catholicism is an organization which controlled the military of the time. Comparing Catholics to atheists in the context you did is just ridiculous...
as you had just come from making two religious themed ytmnds telling all non-Christians, who you labeled infidels (and mostly targeted atheists it seemed), that they were going to burn in hell and that you had PROOF of it. We all know, excluding yourself alone, that your "proof" was neither reliable nor could it, even if it were reliable stand as proof as it is merely hearsay coming from a dying man.
Now, given that you had just said that all non-Christians were going to hell and providing testimonies which you falsely presented as evidence, making a ytmnd about the murders of 3 religious groups (one of which is neither religious, nor a group, nor even positively correlated with the deaths you attributed to it) and Poland, a joke (the only accurate and non-misleading part of the ytmnd, funny as it may be), would not exactly be smart. Nor would it be honest at all to expect anyone...
to think that you had any intention other than to repeat your previous intentions and mistakes by providing false and uncited testimonies as truthful evidence. And we were right. Now I'll respond to your other points. 1.) No, not hateful. Extremely dishonest in the context which you framed it. 2.) Done 3.) Anyone who researched could find this out...
(not that you're setting a good example of accurate research) 4.) I feel that you are filled with too much irrationality and pompous attitude and I will continue to break down your fallacious arguments and presentations and call you an idiot as your arguments attest. I'll understand your position if you understand mine. No I won't, I'm rational. 5.) Anti-sponsorship is a terrible idea and if he implements it because of your dishonest bullsh*t and your cronies it is a sad day...
6.) Yes, we already covered this. You think you're important and want to stand out so you that you can read and reread your words (arrogance, anyone?) even though it is quite obvious that everything you say is more than likely dishonest, incorrect, biased, and/or fallacious. And that's only the things that you have time to sit around and contemplate. Off the top of your head you don't even have time to think, just spout tired christbot cliches. You're an idiot. Glad to meet you.
If there is no God, God=0. God+i=i. The set containing God and myself is the set containing only me, therefore I am God. You can be God too! You may say, "That's crazy talk", but not only is it true, but it emphasizes the fact that if God doesn't exist, you are free to be yourself. Your time is all you have, don't waste it on some archaic idea. We're all atheists, some just believe in one less god than the others.
Here's a final wrap-up of your dishonesty. If you were to say that people who breathe have killed as many or more people than Catholics, you would be correct. However, if you compare the number of people that Catholics killed to the number of people that people who breathe have killed, you would be putting them in a misleading context. Your mention of Catholics in this context implies that this is a determining and limiting feature. People who breathe is most certainly not a determining and limiting...
feature of the people who are responsible for the people killed by people who breathe. Now, atheists may be a more defining feature that simply people who breathe, but that in no way makes atheists any more responsible for the people that individual atheists killed. The person or group who are both determining and limitnig factors in the deaths of the people are the ones that you can report in this context, otherwise you are reporting them out of context in a misleading and dishonest fashion.
Now, this might even be excusable if the figures you gave even applied to all atheists. We don't expect much from you because you are quite obviously small-minded, ignorant, and incapable of original thought. However, the numbers that you compiled and placed, misleadingly, under the label of "atheists" were not even LIMITED to atheists. It is quite obvious that they were not determined by their atheism, which is leading in and of itself, but, as Motu's presentations show, you couldn't even limit them..
to one bloated and over-represented classification. The two factors that make statistics of this sort relevent at all, determining and limiting, are both completely off base. Simply categorizing the people responsible for the deaths as "people who breathe" would, sadly, be more accurate than categorizing them as atheists, and I hope that it is clear that this would not only be a terrible characterization it would also make whoever said it an idiot. And they would be far closer to the truth than you.
Now, even had you been succsessful in giving a determining and limiting classification for... atheists or dictators... what exactly is your point? The only discernable point you seem to have made is that a lot of people kill people. What were the reasons they did this? Certainly you're not saying that all catholics go on crusades and murder people. Nor do muslims (I bet he didn't even know that). Nor do Poles. Nor do Atheists. What is the underlying trait? Well, you didn't even attempt to consider it.
All you wanted to do was mask your misrepresentations with a Poland joke and sensationalize enough such that people would stop blaming Christians for disrespecting others' right to their own beliefs. We don't need your misrepresentations and dishonesty here, and we certainly don't need a dishonest and misrepresenting zealot to be our spiritual leader. You are not fit to preach here. Whether or not we are "spiritually needy" (not), you are not fit to be the one to change that. Stop. Just stop.
Why did you have to go and include that you would STILL continue, when 85% of YTMND doesn't want you hear, Jesus himself said (in the bible atleast, I am an atheist though, btw) to dust your sandles and walk away if the people you are preaching to don't want you. So do it, listen to your Jesus. Also, why do you feel it necessary to convert people to exactly what you believe in? Unless they believe exactly what you do, they are lacking "spirituality"?
"â—„1) everyone wants to challenge me and I actually have a job and a wife. I try to at
least create something interesting once a week and answer PMs so any elaborate challenge is
going to be difficult, but feel free to PM me with what you had in mind. 2) I did supply
sources contrary to what you claimed 3) I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the most
but that atheists did. So far no one has proven that wrong. I 5 sites that attempt to answer me
in YTMNDs rather than spam my comments.â–ş"
1.) Wow, I thought your behavior was excusable because you were a child. That's scary. You're a messed up individual. 2.) Ok. 3.) I've adressed your lies here and http://ytmnd.com/users/Motu/, a site that you have viewed and commented, PROVES THAT THE STATISTICS YOU LUMPED ATHEISTS INTO INCLUDED PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT ATHEIST INCLUDING HITLER AND JAPANESE DICTATORS AND OTHERS. STOP LYING. APPARENTLY LARGECAPITALLETTERS.YTMND.COM. Child(ish).
Also I parodied your use of atheism, but that was only because you failed to show that atheism was a determining factor. Motu proves, from your own statistics, that atheism isn't even a limiting factor. You've failed both tests of statistics. Stop preaching. Stop. You've failed on so many levels. Just stop. Stop now. I won't make any more sites about it. This is not spam and it is all here. Just stop.
Korf makes several good points here. I'll also argue that most of your sites really aren't equipped to engage the"spirtually needy", but rather isolate those that don't agree and puzzle many that *do.* Rather than continue to make religious themed YTMND's on a regular basis, it would be in the best interests of everyone for you to just "let it be."
"I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the
most but that atheists did. I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the
most but that atheists did. I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the
most but that atheists did. I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the
most but that atheists did. I didn't claim atheism as a philosophy killed the
most but that atheists did."
This, ironically, I am not disagreeing with. It may be true. However, you did not prove it, and even if you did, as I have pointed out, it is a completely meaningless statement as the fact that they are atheists is no more important to the fact that they killed people as is the fact that they breathe. Also, you put it in an extremely dishonest context where it seemed you were attributing the killings to the group that would identify as the atheists (wrong) and attributing atheism as a determining factor...
(also wrong). The inclusion of three other organizations that were both directly responsible for and determining factors in their own genocides makes both of these points inescapable. No matter what you set out to prove, the only thing you succeeded in proving was that people kill people. You have no ground to make any other claims. Period. That's all. No more of this "you misunderstood my point" bullsh*t. Your point was wrong and presented in a dishonest manner. Stop. Just stop. Leave.
Word to the wise: Someone who needs to state for the record they don't hate (insert religious/ethnic group here) has usually shown through his own action that he does, in fact, hate (insert religious/ethnic group here.)
Dude. You claim Catholics aren't Christian. You call them Romanists and Popeists - that's like calling a Jew a Kike or a Hymie. You hate Catholics. Own that. If you can't have decency, have honesty. Right now you have neither.
I'm merely responding to your request to prove you wrong. You asked for it. Here it is. Motu researched the statistics' origins, I've detailed your statistical and logical shortcomings numerous times, but here as well. The long and short of it: You're dishonest in your rhetoric and actually go so far as to blatantly lie. "So far no one has proven that wrong." As shown, obviously a lie. I think you have very few "fans", but I could tolerate someone with honest arguments and statements. You're a piece of sh*t
raptavio, I don't have any problems with homosexual jews, but it's really funny to see Whetstone get all sappy and emo and defensive. It makes me laugh when I see it. Because Christians know that their religion is illogical. They LIKE it that way. Look at how he cries. He can't defend his position. "Spiritually Needy." Feh. This YTMND makes me LOL so hard.
"Oh, your ytmnds are academically indefensible and you don't have anything to say." Actually I have lots to say but I save most of it for my YTMNDs. Unlike you I don't have the time to argue back in forth via comments all day- and I'm really straining even to keep up with my PMs. I also have a debate I'm supposed to be working on as well as work and life. Seriously- get off my back dude.
"Seriously-
get off my back dude." Seriusly, get off this site dude. You seem to have time to go talking yourself up and ignoring and even lying about the evidence that you have seen that shows that everything you said is completely misrepresentative of the truth. You're a joke. A bad one. Just stop. Leave. I hear Newgrounds and 4-Chan and Gaia Online are all atheists as well. Go, convert the weak minded with your dishonest rhetoric and flee from rationality and honesty.
Does Sir Whet even know what's he's saying anymore? "'Oh, your ytmnds are academically indefensible and you don't have anything
to say.' Actually I have lots to say but I save most of it for my ytmnds." Your points are in your ytmnds. All your ytmnds are fallacious logic and unrehearsed arguments. Even your fans can follow this logic.
I doubt max will ever let you post another religion related YTMND, as for YTMND being a spiriutally lacking corner of the internet...SO? WHO CARES? The New York Stock exchange is also lacking "spiritualitiy" (yeah I suck at spelling) yet I dont see you running around there yelling about "the cries of the infidels" and whatnot. Your message goes unheard (for the most hard) yet you continue to press the issue. stop trying to enlighten us and instead TRY TO MAKE US LAUGH. I know you can do it!
"she being the child of roman catholics, did not know much about Him." this implies that Roman catholics aren't christians, for why else would they not know much about christ. Now, there are a hell of a lot of good reasons to be opposed to the vatican, but this is simply not one of them. It is a common mistadventure of these american bible belt proddies to buy into spurious propaganda about the church.
Of course you can say you do not hate catholics. You could say you do not hate rapists. What you say obliquely and refuse to own up to is that the catholics aren't christians. Now i've been a "romanist" for the greater part of my life. I was an altar server every sunday for 8 years. Believe me when i say that we worship christ, we read the gospels, it's the same f*cking religion.
The only difference between you and them is that they've got a bunch of geezers in a decrepit boro of rome telling the whole world what to do. They issue statements to the press that claim that condoms do not work, or that they are manufactured tainted with AIDS. They fight to keep condoms out of africa, effectively dooming millions. This is one of the right reasons to be anti-catholic.
You may remember one fine day a long time ago when i suggested that you stop going negative. Of course you now realise that you're not getting chased out of ytmnd for evangelizing, the why god exists ytmnd did pretty good. You're getting chased out for saying controversial stupid sh*t that serves no purpose than to divide and infuriate people. Calling non-believers infidels is no way to evangelize.
Even when you didnt go negative, you stacked on lots of anecdotal evidence in an attempt to prove an improvable point, with little or nothing about the example that christ set for us. Of course, it is too late for you to go back and correct your ways, your name is tainted, and there is nothing for you to do but to fade out of the picture like peterguy and sponsor the next wild-eyed evangelist that pops up.
The "spiritually needy" comment pissed me off more than anything else in your other sites. I guess you think you're better or more enlightened than anyone who doesn't accept Jesus. I won't mind so much if your irrational beliefs turn out to be correct if it means spending eternity away from self-righteous asshats like yourself.
"I maintain the belief that there were ulterior motives behind the movement
of these religious sites. Whether consciously intended or not, these sites
were a lot less about proving god than people would think." I maintain that this is reasonable speculation. The only 2 options either seem an intentional disregard for honesty and accuracy or complete ineptitude. Talking with whetstone, I'd say a bit of both. I gave him some lessons on the meaning of fallacy and how to use logic... cause he was clueless.
"Because I feel this is a spiritually needy part of the internet." F*ck you, you douchebag. You worship a make-believe Invisible Man In The Clouds, and you feign superiority to the rest of the adults here? Clearly, the one deluded is yourself. You have my pity. Incidentally, you know who killed the most people? "God", when he drowned everyone in the Old Testament. Pwned.
The religious stuff may indeed be sh*tty, but I HAVE upvoted your non Christian sites...thing is, no one wants Christ on our YTMND. I'm an Atheist, personally, but your Christian YTMNDs do not move me nor do they offend me. They're nothing more than annoyances. Good on ya for making an alt, though. If we needed spiritual help, we'd go to chruch, not listen to a soapbox preacher on a comedy site. In short...MAEK MOAR COMEDY PLZ.
â—„â—„Rewind Fast Forwardâ–şâ–ş lol, VCR. Also, if you can't take the heat, get out of god's kitchen. If YTMND is a religiously-needy corner of the internet, then it's far too big a corner for you to tackle by yourself. Choosing to do so in the first place was your downfall. And now that one user, (Korf), single-handedly destroys every debate you've ever tried to raise, you're backing out with the excuse of "Real-Life" matters? Choose your battles wisely. And one that involves 90,000+ active users/week (most of
Korf41, you spent pages and pages on this guy, and all I could think of was "the Crusades wiped out 1/6th of the world population." Since the Crusades started out about 1100AD and petered out a little after 1250, let's take a look at the world population in 1200. About 400,000,000. Okay. So, ignoring the fact that MANY GENERATIONS lived in 1100-1250, let's suppose that 1/6th of 400 million is all we need. That's 66,666,666. Information on such a broad period of conflict, on such a scale, so long ago,
YTMND users trying to convert me is a lot like musicians and actors trying to tell me how to vote. I hate both of those things equally, and rebel accordingly (usually by researching said topics on my own later, which usually leads me to believe those people are full of b.s.). Thank you in your all-knowing goodness though, for trying to save poor, wretched heathens like me, and the rest of YTMND. *eyeroll*
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