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5, + I'm going to donate to it to counter the Christian crap flooding YTMND.

buh

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Flaw in your argument: Intellectual Masturbation.

needs moar pheonix wright

How is this faulty by mental mastrubation? We are only showing the lack of conclusive power in this rebuttal.

Whetstone also left out a major part of the universe... energy.

Well DONE! These are the kinds of things that make me want to study philosophy and such.

biblethumpers owned.

take it to a forum

First of all, its "causal" not "casual"..you made that mistake numerous times. Second of all, you have committed a strawman fallacy, which is in so many words taking what someone said way out of proportion. Third of all, NEDM

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I'd like to add something to the self-refuting side of things. Whestone argues that the Universe cannot be infinite in duration (it must have a cause) because of entropy. Entropy, however, only applies to closed systems- a supernatural diety would mean the Universe is NOT a closed system, meaning the Universe could be inifinite in duration, thus eradicating the need for god to create it. Paradox ad nauseum.

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+5 for your rebuttal manifesting itself into an actual YTMND and not a stupid comment. So what are your peronal beliefs?

I agree with t3knomanser. The only reason why the beginning of the univserse is a matter of debate is because humans are unwilling to comprehend infinity. The universe has simply always existed, and will forever continue its pattern of big bangs and big crunches as it transfers matter and energy around.

Lol. If God/the bible says masturbating is antireligious, why is so easy to do? That's my argument.

Lollers, 5. Stupid christians who think we should be christians. (Other christians = cool)

Furthermore: the bible still says earth is the center of the universe, and man still says that God is just a really big intangible Man. This vein of theism is not FAITH, it is ARROGANCE on the part of humanity.

Genesis 5:1 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. 9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: 13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died. 15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared

Lol -4 for being a jew

1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Raptor Jesus, who is called Jesus, lol. Also c*cks.

This f*ckin sh*t has gotten out ofhand, lol.

Very well done, I liked the analogy of pepples causing avalanches, that was my main objection to Whetstone. (That intelligence cannot come from non-intelligence, and that life cannot come from non-life.) I used the experiments of Cyril Pennomperuma to prove this point. Thank you very much for this comprehensive rebbuttal

Very sexy.

why did you make two?

None of us can prove he doesn't or does exist why even try? Let's keep YTMND Funny people...

The orginal "YTMND" involved Sean Connery's line from "Finding Forrester".... Hardly thought provoking at all...

I agree, and this was a well-made site, but.... this is YTMND. Religion can GTFO.

5 for chaos theory

There is a fatal flaw in your argument: too many words

you win the internets.

Wow, you have way too much time on your hands (aside from fapping to Tubgirl) to actually construct this piece of crap. BElieve what you like and let others believe what they like. Since when does it matter what you think about someone else? You're just wasting your time buddy, seriously. LEt him believe what he wants and you do the same. In other words,get a life aside from making protest YTMND's. Grow up.

I NEED THAT SONG! I assume you made it? Sounds like reason.

wow, I hope Whetstone actually reads this and replies.

and to sarria, you have no spine.

Too fast, but nice to see someone kick Whetstone's ass.

I hope you take no offense from this, but I personally thought this was boring. I have to admit though, it was well done and writen.

"Xoolio -- and to sarria, you have no spine." On the contrary... I'm able to form my own thoughts and views on life and how I should live it. What's it like living your life in fear of "Hell?" I bet I know what it doesn't feel like... Freedom of expression and the ability to form ones own thoughts and ideals. Living by a book of stories must be fun, eh? Sling more mud elsewhere, peon.

All the Christians trying to prove God exist on this site is just as pathetic as everyone else who tries to do the opposite.

Owned.

ftw

f*ck god!

great work, but i have an average to keep low.

Meatshakes, I'd rather not belittle myself and this good community with such a wasteful thing.

Newsflash. GOOD Christians don't waste their time trying to prove God because they're too busy participating in a religion of FAITH! 2'd for change of pace, but really ytmnd is a bad format for this type of thing.

way to debate!

you rock

5'd for being very logical straightforward and coherant. Good job sir.

5 for having an objection I didn't even notice.

lol redshift

^(KingD) No the idiot whose site you 5'd because you're a Bible beater is wrong. He distorts science and logic to make his arguments; then when his points are debunked he can't argue his way anywhere but deeper into the hole he dug.

PS: 5 points for bringing valid counter-points to the issue.

theism-antitheism competetive circle-jerk ftw

Goes too fast but a win for logic. A is A; the rest follows.

(disregard my above post, it was based on your old ytmnd not the updated one) Here is some critique of your ytmnd AND some ideas to add to your ytmnd as arguments. First critique of yours: You use the example small pebbles starting an avalanch. HAHA that is not caused by the force in the pebble (s) but the force of GRAVITY deriving from the earth's pull on everything involved. But otherwise very good points with your updates. I would like you to refrain from using Quotes that Whetstone MIGHT have said. Just use his actual responses, because hypothetical questions dont count as evidence. Now for whetstone's yrmnd. He uses the theory of relativity as exidence for the existance of God...however THEORIES are not true 100% of the time.

he also says that the first cause "sounds" a lot like god...but is it really? he says it is, but doesnt proove it. I will use a general example using variables "x" and "Y". substances X and Y are very similar in physical appearance, smell, taste and texture, however thier chemical makeups are completely different and thier reactions with other substances differ. Just because something SOUNDS like X doesnt mean it is, it could be Y. He is right about there being a first cause, however that is all he prooved, nothing else.

This seemed pretty cute. The other site reminded me of that bit from http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm too much. Though I would think rephrasing to some basic logical fallacies could be nice, like limitations of possibilities and such. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/falsedilemmas.html

5'd FOR BLIND BELIEVERS SAYING "ITS TEH GOD, LOL, HE DONE DID IT, YOU KNOOOW DAT, YOU SATAN POSSEEESSED!, YOU GON'A BURN! PS. I PRAY FOR YOU!" hahahahahahahahahahhaha

The burden of proof always lies with the one making the claim that something does exist.

basically

wow i cant blive that i wathched that whole thing

worst music ever.

There is no god period. 1'd for too much reading

I liked the update better, but it would have been better if you'd cut the Willy Wonka "You lose, good day sir!" at the end. Course, my vote thing is broke, but 5 anyway.

5 for pwnage. -1 for boring, Add a panda with chainsaws for arms and you got yourself a 5

oh wow more text about boring unfunny sh*t on my screen i wont read wow people are giving this money holy sh*t get a life noone cares about your god unless god is real then you are f*cked

Both of you have put together common and rather terrible arguments for both sides. If you're really interested in this subject, then you should both take college classes in Religious Studies that examine the history of proofs for the Existence of God, i.e. Aristotle's Mover, Anselm's neo-Platonic arg., Aquinas' 5 proofs (and rejection of Anselm). Then, you might know enough to know that these YTMNDs are horribly insufficient for proving anything.

"Both of you have put together common and rather terrible arguments for both sides. If you're really interested in this subject, then you should both take college classes in Religious Studies that examine the history of proofs for the Existence of God, i.e. Aristotle's Mover, Anselm's neo-Platonic arg., Aquinas' 5 proofs (and rejection of Anselm). Then, you might know enough to know that these YTMNDs are horribly insufficient for proving anything." Look at me stroke my mental c*ck. Ohh yeahhh, now watch me nut all over your arguments because they're so unintellectual and SMALL! Aughghhhhhh... *Squip* *Squip*

site goes too fast -- also the logic is crap

What this argument sounds like to me. http://neverendingargument.ytmnd.com/

http://undeniableproof.ytmnd.com/

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Man created God in his own image in an attempt to explain the creation of the universe. None of us know the truth and most of us are afraid of whats out there and what we do not understand. A nice simple "God" that blankets everything from existance to death makes us feel safe and sated. I beleive that when I die thats it, game over...but I dont fear death infact Im just happy to have existed in any form at all which in itself is pretty amazing. the very idea of god nulls the mind to different possibilites of why the universe exists. So much so that man pathetically kills man over an ideal of god...becuase your afraid of other possibilites being true and no one wants thier immportality put into question. Personally I beleive we created god out of necesity

Excellent site, thank you for giving me that awesome read

Anyone who 1'd this should be noted as being unable to conduct a logical discussion

tl:dr Also, not funny

Good stuff. Dunno why Max is getting pissy about either of these; YTMNDer's are more then capable of dealing with poor logic, and this is the proof.

On the same theme: http://godlogic.ytmnd.com/ Disclaimer: This site involves sarcasm. Don't waste effort flaming me for being a fundie, or having faulty logic.

If you slow it done to the point where more than half a paragraph can be read per slide i will change this to a 5. Other that that i thought this was well done you had some good points. I couldn't finish the entirety of the "clip" (for lack of a better term) because my head would explode from not understanding a lot of it because it goes to fast

lol owned

5'd because I actually followed this without losing you. And because you're SO f*cking right.

Hey, I am a devoted Catholic, but still gotta say, Whetstone doesnt prove sh*t. 5 :)

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics....

Who gives a f*ck? I should downvote both your sites for trying to use ytmnd as a medium for your masturbatory arguments on god. Seriously, it's people like you and Whetstone that turn the world to sh*t.

Logic wins.

good one, but.. christians, GET THE F*CK OFF OF HERE. we dont need to hear about this "god" thing that magically got pulled out of someones ass. hes not real. its a lie. GET OVER IT. why is it so hard to realise that something doesnt exist. ok i pose a question: "if god created the universe, then where did he come from?" you cant answer this because he doesnt exist. science has more proof and theories backing up the big bang theory. the god theory has "GOD CREATED EVERYTHING. but i cant prove it...." ........ so what did we learn christians?

oh by the way: have you heard of the new particle-accelerator being built? (sweden or somewhere around there, i cant remember)it is going to make a "big bang" BUT at a much smaller scale, they are hoping to prove that the big bang theory is correct, and that it is possible to have started everything this way.

Your arguments aren't very clear. Maybe you should add a flowchart.

I salute you for being smart enough to to think logically, and yet stupid enough to waste your time making this ytmnd. Cheers and 5 stars to you sir!

seriously, this is one of the best thought out ytmnds ever. i really like your reasoning regarding the law of causality- if it affects the universe, then why doesnt it affect god? that was pure genious. if i could give your site ten stars instead of five i would. also, something to add maybe, is the theory of the big crunch combined with the theory of cyclical time. (basically the big crunch is and event where all matter in the universe condenses and entropy is reset, creating a new big bang or "genesis event").

eh

Made the site that I was planning (and probably a lot of others also) to make, and with clear presentation and snappy music :) You win, good day sir.

Here is your upvote. @_@ Fonnz - Helping YTMND since 2005.

good job

5 because I'm glad someone had the balls to stand up to whetstone, but -1 because I long for the days when YTMND was free of this religious sh*t. I miss plain old "lol, it's jesus".

dumb read thomas aquinas's book, don't read ytmnd

5 for understanding the underlying principles of chaos theory

+5 and favs to both you and Whetstone. Philosophytmnd, I like it.

All of you are nothing but holy war jingoists. You all merely follow the guy that says something you agree with, and blindly too. None of you have minds of your own on this subject, you just know to hate and obey intolerance.

5 for great justice (and logical reasoning)

Thank you.

Interesting rebuttal indeed.

lol, rebuttal.

Twenty people have now checked the original beacause of your advertising.

Props for bothering with philosophy at all. I am a Christian but am perfectly willing to engage in logical debate about the existence of God as was Whetstone - he just had some bad logic. I want you to try something, just as a request from me - try to imagine a world outside of time. The limitations of THIS universe and our frail minds render it impossible to do so, although if you meet with success, do give me a call.

you just whipped my brain's ass

Logic and reasoning on ytmnd. How can I not 5? Good work, friend.

FYAD

whetstone had one weakness, believing in god!

Wow, you're going to change what I believe in with a sh*tty YTMND.

Bravo, this is one of the most sensible YTMDs I've seen in a while

away with you.

this argument is crap, believe what you will.

not entertaining

Whetstone isn't posting comments in this site, but he's updating his site to match.

good job, i tip my hat

OK F*CK! Christians, stop pawning off your religion onto others that don't want it. Non-Believers, don't get so damn bitchy! I'm an atheist, i don't let this sh*t bother me! let YTMND be a site for stupid sh*t and funny stuff, not religous holy wars. GTFO, and take the religous arguments elsewhere. 4 for not pushing any kind of religion at all into this YTMND.

Pure pwnage.

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SLOW DOWN THE PARTS TALKING ABOUT HIS REBUTTELS THEY'RE TOO DAMN FAST.