MORE Circular Reasoning
Created on: August 6th, 2006
Much thanks to the original: http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com
Such thought provoking and asinine ytmnd's need to be lampooned.
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And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to
pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of streets, that they
may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say unto you, they have their reward. But
you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door,
pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in
secret will reward you openly. - Matthew 6:5-6 -- Translation: Jesus says
STFU.
You f*cking idiot. We don't know evolutionary science is correct because of textbooks. We know it because of millions of years of fossile records and lab experiments on quickly reproducing organisms. Of course, no amount of convincing you will work, but that's because, like all bible thumping idiots, you're completely delusional.
There are some serious problems with the Evolutionary theory. For one thing, the fossils and bones that are supposed to act as interim links between the developments from, oh say, reptile to human have NOT BEEN FOUND at all. Another thing is, Evolution states a series of effects, but does not suggest a single definite beginning (except for that whackjob idea of an amino-acid cesspool which is total bullsh*t). And, DNA microbes are so intricate that they have to point to a Creator.
incorrect.
While I do not support blind faith in any form (note the ANY...that means you dogmatic religious zealots), evidence for evolution makes the theory inherently not-blind. You see, the theory of evolution does not proclaim itself to be true based on its own existance. Sooo.....hacha! Take that.
This is not what your opponents expect you to believe, nor do they ask you to give up your faith in God in order to accept the empirical truth of evolution. Only the most narrow of minds would think that either of these beliefs exclude one another. You have enormous faith in God, so why is it so hard to believe that He created something as subtle and beautiful as evolution? I think YOU, SIR, need to rethink your own dogmatism and stopping underestimating God. No offense. Feel free to respond.
PS: I have three priests and a bishop in my family, and they can tell you that anyone who has studied biblical scholarship knows the the Old Testament is made up of many different dijointed sources. In fact, if you read carefully, there are two contradictory creations of humanity in the Book of Genesis. Thus, reading the bible as a literal source for the process of creation is highly problematic. Take the guidance and wisdom from the Bible and open your mind to the possiblity of God's role in science.
perhaps the deciding factor is EVIDENCE. Mountains and mountains of evidence that was formed from generations of scientists OBSERVING what they see, and discarding anything that is disproven with contrary evidence, as opposed to simply sitting down and saying "this is the way things are, and if you disagree you are a heratic and should not be listened to. I would love to argue this point on an instant messanger with you, comments are too detatched. I'll be sending you a PM with my messanger adresses.
I believe in evolution because of the mountains of empirical evidence supported by just about every major scientific journal and credible biologist, the transitional fossils found in the fossil record, the micro and macro adaptation and evolution witnessed in our lifetime and the fact that given the evidence evolution is a far more coherant and logical explanation to how we came to be then "well were not 100% sure so God must have done it".
This is NOT circular reasoning. Circular reasoning requires that the basis of the argument depend on the the truth of the matter in question, that being evolutionary science s right because evolutionary science said so. The chain of thought is: how do i know evolutionary science is right?? ---> because it said so in the book. ---> how do i know the book is right? ---> because it was written by an evolutionary scientist. The next logical thought would be: How do i know the evolutionary scientist is right?
Had his response been "because he's talking about evolutionary science!" That would be circular reasoning. However an evolutionary scientist would answer "because he's looking using factual data to back his assertion in the book claiming evolutionary science is correct." The http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com IS circular reasoning because the Bible depends on God's word, and knowing that the bible is God's word depends on the bible saying so. That argument will never conclude, yours will.
FAIL. The answer is not "beause it was written by an evolutionary scientist". It's because there is physical empirical data backing it up. The bible has no evidence anywhere backing anything anyone said in it up. In fact, most of the bible is all contradiction and does a fine job all by itself of disproving its own words. Another logic lacking post by whetstone.
""You should trust it because evolutionary textbooks are backed up by hard
evolutionary facts and logical evolutionary reasoning." ...Hard
Evolutionary Facts?! My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has
undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" - whetstone
As has the Bible, you douche, and that's over two thousand years.
"I'll tell you something, if you're so stupid, that you actually don't believe in evolution, then here's a test. Give an elderly person and a monkey a digital camera and see how they work it out. They both hit it and it flashes in their eye -'aah!' and the monkey runs around and takes a sh*t and throws it and the old man just takes a sh*t. and that's where we've come to in the evolutionary phase, to where the elderly man does not throw his sh*t around. And we're better off for it." - David Cross
Science and religion go hand in hand, both leading to the same result. Cause for all we know, whatever God exists is not a f*cking dumbass who's only way of working is "ZOMG! I MAIK SH*T OUT OF NOTHING WITHOUT LOGIC!". Certainly He is much smarter than that and would set up things in a clear and scientific manner. Obviously bits and pieces of the Bible are a bit off from scientific fact, but that is merely so people ages ago could understand them. Had ancient people been given all these complicated...
...theories about evolution and all this info about science, they wouldn't have had any f*cking clue what they were hearing. Simply put, they were not ready for it. And as for the lack of proof of a God, that is something that will be solved someday I am sure. Obviously our knowledge of science isn't advanced enough to even comprehend the possibility of a God. Hell, we can't even find solutions to half the sh*t here on Earth, proving a non-physical omniscient entity is real is a LOOOOOONG way off...
.. Because at this point, we can't even prove a God DOESN'T exist. Basically we're at a point where we have enough info to THINK we have all the answers, yet we haven't even scratched the surface of science yet. Give it another 1000-5000 years. With enough time and technology, the human race will be able to prove or disprove God. Unfortunately, at our current state, we are completely unable to tell is He is real or not.
Also c*cks.
Wow. o.O A few quick points: -Evolution is backed up by evidence -Scientific theories can change to incorporate new information, makes them more accurate, not more fallible -God doesn't fit into science, as anything omniscient is unfalsifiable, meaning you can't prove it's false, since it's possible to say that the evidence was put that way by the omniscient being -Evolution and god are not incompatible, one is science detailing the development of species, the other is a symbol for love and compassion.
I see how you're trying to be funny, but the humor ends when you can't prove why an evolutionary scientist shouldn't be trusted. Think about all the hard work that went into the many evolutionary science textbooks which have been written by all of the hard-working and open-minded geniuses. Compare it to the fact that there is only one Bible which does not back up its statements with scientific proof. It is like a giant Internet blog in the form of a book.
The fact that the understanding of evolution has progressed does nothing to invalidate it. Its actually pretty obvious when you think about it; if a trait increases chances to survive and breed, over the next few generations, it will likely become common. The bible argument is much stronger because there is no extrabiblical empirical evidence to back up that abrahamic drivel, while fossil records, cichlid speciation, finch beak size fluctuations, and a sh*tload of other evidence backs up evolution.
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