Illegal Immigration (new music)
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codeblue, we have thousands of Americans on Welfare right now that are perfectly capable of working. Give them a damn physical, and if they can work tell them to get a job or, if they say the can't find one, tell them they have to go pick crops and kick them off of welfare. I'll pay the extra 50 cents for my turnips if we can take care of this little welfare problem.
Codeblue, you are a f*cking dumbass. The point of this is that illegals are draining the economy. I have NO problem with mexicans, or mexicans working, I'm saying, they need to pay taxes if they are going to dememand the rights of citizenship. Duh. And people 'immigrating' from Europe? They speak the same language, pay taxes, and are generally non violent. kthnx bb.
normally i would -10 a political ytmnd. however its time someone used ytmnd's link to the 1337 masses to show them the real points. you should site your research so nobody calls bullsh*t. as for those of you who say that "we are all immigrants", stfu right now. our ancestors took this country by force because we wanted it. if mexico wants it so bad, they have to do the same. it'll be a lot harder for them since we are infinitely more powerful than the natives were, but tough luck, we took it first.
Oh they took your jobs? When was the last time you saw a Chinese immigrant as a CEO of a Forbes 500 company? When was the last time you saw a Mexican immigrant as a manager of anything? When was the last time you saw an African immigrant doing anything besides janatorial work? What jobs? The jobs that Americans wont do except for 15 dollars an hour?
gosu doesnt mean the immigrants will be a ceo of anything.their just saying for the factories, they boss figures out that the americans cost too much money to keep hired so they hire mexicans for minimum wage unlike the 18 dollars an hour. but if the mexicans tried, after the years of becoming a citizen, their children will grow up around an environment full of opportunity, and if they work hard, they could become a ceo of a forbes 500 company. oh, and your argument is retarded.
If that's your argument then the simple answer is to punish the farmers, corporations, and businesses who don't pay them properly and refuse to pay taxes themselves on wages paid under the table. Don't blame the immigrants for working their asses off, blame the *sshole who gave them the cash and told them to take a hike. This is the problem with the "immigration reform", because you have to reform the dumb f*cks who employ these people in the first place.
Are you f*cking stupid? The immigration reforms are focused on the IMMIGRANTS NOT THE CORPORATIONS. The name Wal-Mart wasn't mentioned, because it would collapse the foundation of one of the largest American businesses in history. They want "guest worker" programs and to put a wall up that's going to do just about as much as the wall that's up there now does. Read the news *sshole.
Each year, bitches like you get passed up for jobs because you're lazy as f*ck. Each year, rich people don't pay income taxes. Each year, an illegal immigrant does a job that you don't want to do. Each year, our economy subsists off of illegal immigration. Each year, you still haven't sucked my dick, and I'd like you to do so very much.
"Of course all you spoonfed white kids are going to call me a dumbass. None
of you worthless pricks have worked a day in your life. If you stoped
sucking off of your mom's tit for about 10 seconds you might actually learn
something about the real world." I make 6.50 an hour, and I don't have a car. You're on YTMND, therefore you're sucking off someone's tit for internet access, so GG hypocrisy?
"So I'm guessing your family was all Native American? I say we throw all
the *ssholes who migrated from western europe out too, that way everyone
can just get the f*ck out except the NA's." codeblue, you're one of those morons who has no mind of their own and just follows what they're told to. And you've been watching protests. This is against the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not the legal Mexicans, or Europeans, or Canadians. People illegally immigrating from countries.
I'm not talking about the guest worker program. That one little law, that everyone got all upset about and protested: Mandates employers to verify workers' legal status through electronic means, phased in over several years. Also requires reports to be sent to Congress one and two years after implementation to ensure that it is being used. (Title VII)
Increases penalties for employing illegal aliens to $7, 500 for first time offenses, $15, 000 for second offenses, and $40, 000 for all subsequent offenses
Yeah and they're about as likely to enforce that as they are any of the other laws the enforce against conglomorate businesses. Not to mention how the hell are you supposed to tell how long any of these illegals have been here? And before you conservative morons start talking about "believing everything you hear" lets not talk about that because this is the exact issue that the right wing uses as propaganda every time the elections come around.
If the law did pass and the people knew that this was supposed to be enforced, the goverment would have to enforce it. When they illegal immigration blew up in Wal-mart's face, the people did fight against Wal-Mart. In fact, Wal-mart was forced to pay 11 million dollars in damages. And btw, I'm not republican nor am I very conservative. I just actually can see a problem and want to try and fix it.
I dont care who the HELL you are if you are going to be a LEGA citizen and be loyal to your country! You have to be either far too left or far too stupid to think that we should allow Hordes of Latinos to transcend our borders willy-nilly and totally ruin our economy's financial solvency, not to mention increase the crime rate, ruin our hospitals and schools, and make life miserable for everyone.
say whatever you want about this but its simalar (also, flame me as much as you want you pricks): a group of people will eventually rise up and convince the nation that illegals should be exterminated. it happened in the modern world. germany circa 1930's and 40's? nazis convincing the rest of germany that exterminating jews and other minorities was ok? sound familiar?
Illegal immigrants drain the economy. End of story. Wall? Unethical. Every other wall in history has ended badly... Reforms and huge fines for companies hiring illegal immigrants? Good. If companies are forced to pay the same wages to immigrants and citizens, then any incentive to hire the immigrant in the first place is effectivly destroyed.
Codeblue, your argument is weak. The original settlers fought a long time for this land, be it the British, French, or Spaniards. The original natives of the land have nothing to do with the base of this argument, all countries have natives that have lost wars and land from them. If a citezen of another country wants to come work in the US, they should go about doing so legally and live here legally rather then having the ones who are here legally cover the debts caused from it.
We really do need to protect our borders for reasons of immigration and security. I'm amazed at how much effort we put into stopping drug trafficking all while we leave our back and side door wide open.
As far as the immigrants here we need find a middle ground, they need to speak English, pay taxes and they need to be documented. I'm afraid we are no longer the land of opportunity and we cannot support the worlds problems anymore. The rest of the world needs to grow up a little and Mexico needs to fix i
Laxbum, Hitler rallied the Germans against the Jew's after WWI left Germany in ruins and debt. He built the people up restoring factories by building his war machine, and used the Jews as the figurehead of what lead to their earlier defeat. There are many differences between then and now. I highly doubt a figurehead of the government we have can persuade the country to simply kill people because of ethnicity or legal status.
so much propoganda in that movie... 23 billion dollars lost? More like businesses dont have to pay those taxes so 23 billion is put into the economy. Not to mention the money saved from hiring people below the minimm wage. Do you really think that illegal immigrants live in 2 story suburban houses and each $13 per hour? Propaganda = 1 star, if you dont like it move to canada
Losermeetsworld, there is a vast ammount of corruption in the Mexican government still I believe. It may take more work then just a few years, but if the Mexican people rally together, it may be possible to overcome both the corruption and the drug trafficing the country faces.
I'd like to note, Cuba is also another source of illegal immigrants that may need to be discussed.
Why are people arguing over illegal immigration reforms? The fact remains that they SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THE U.S., hence the title "illegal" immigrant. So any arguments against not ridding them from the country are null and void. They should not be here, thus they deserve no rights that U.S. citizens have, which includes the right to minimum wage. Businesses do not have to pay them jack sh*t. What will they do? Complain? They're here illegally.
Illegal immigrants have to pay sales tax. They can rarely afford property for the government to tax because their wages are patheticly low. The government still gets taxes for an illegal immigrants wages, technically, because the person who employs them doesn't get to write them off as a business expense. Their wages count as a part of the employer's income, so it goes to the government through income tax.
"You guys are all morons! Do you actually think that debating on a website
will solve the problem? Go and do something! And i am a latino whose family
came to this country legally and i support that damn fence!"
BS, you probably are a latino who thinks is black, funny how people don't know where they stand
And to those people who are talking about Native American crap: The United States is a country that was established by people of European descent. It was not created by Native Americans, they merely lived here before the white man under no previously established nation. We are not and were not illegal immigrants because there was no such concept in that time period in America. The concept of illegal immigration came about once the U.S. became an indepent nation.
...how many American citizens do you expect will want to do the jobs for the pittance the illegal immigrant gets? Nevermind the fact that the businesses themselves are probably benefitting from the amount of money they save in wages paid. Yank all of the illegal immigrants out of the US and watch there be a dramatic shortage of unskilled labour and a dramatic cost-rise in someindustries . US needs illegal immigrants, now just patriate them, tax them, and they gradually become productive members of society ;
then why did he put that information in the video? No point! I seriously people are complaining that illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, what job? mowing the lawn? picking strawberries? Take them! The fact is that illegal immigrants are playing as scapegoats. They are not terrorists; they are not causing foreign and domestic problems. If anything they are helping your local farms hire cheap labor which means lower prices = low inflation = better economy.
Also, by putting in the comparison of Americans' wealth compared to Mexicans', you're proving points for the other side. Do we have to be such selfish *ssholes and hoard all the money for ourselves? Can't we give up a little bit from ourselves to make life better for those less fortunate? Can't the billionaires give up a few million to pay for food for starving families?
dancing is forbidden: I agree with that statement completly. We should be able to help them out a litte, I helped build a pavilion for day labourers to keep them out of the 100 degree Texas heat. But if they expect us to take care of them, they need to pay taxes, learn english, and not just be a leech.
Yes! Yes! Work together! Instead of kicking everybody out onto the streets! Think about it like this: your son is 22 years old but can't get a job. Would you help him get back on his feet or kick him out on the street? Also, to pay taxes, you have to legalize them. To legalize them, educate them. Give free US education to all comers! FREE!
Dey tuk ar jerbs! But seriously, you cannot stop illegal immigration entirely but I do support some reform mainly cracking down on those who employ illegals and a little more border security. Unless you're a hot latin chick, then you can stay with me. So in sumation, not upvoted or downvoted. Midvoted!
this is really pointless, the real fact is, all the illegal reform crap is just a political tool, they will never make one to satisfy either side, they need to keep people in awe so they will vote for whoever candidate offers the better solution, the fence is the government's problem, but wasting the national guard's time on the border is absurd, and a f*cking waste of my taxes.
Laxbum, history repeats itself when not studied thoroughly. As long as modern day historians keep records of the events that take place, humanity can view the events and better predict the various forks in the road. Indeed, it is possible for it to happen with the right amount of events, though highly unlikely.
To those who mentioned Canada's free healthcare, it isnt exactly free, the bill is just covered by the taxes they pay.
first of all the'res no way to proove those numbers since illeagals arent counted in the census. those numbers are complete bulsh*t generated by the same people who claim to spend $20,000 on toilet seats, and 50,000 on hammers. get real. and if you aint a native indian then you are hear illeagally too
23 Billion Tax Dollars lost is insignificant, we need to focus on how much is being lost on other things, such as tax-breaks for the rich, most notably. Of course, you're a dick, what do you care? These numbers are so insignificant in proportion to the GDP and Gross Tax Income that it doesn't even matter. That's some nice trendwhoring there, y'know, caring about sh*t that newstations tell you to. Also, gtfo ytmnd.
Umaycallusq, thing is the indians never had a form of goverment controlling the land, it was a series of tribes warring for territory. There were no laws, therefore, by Britain forming the colonies and the settlers forming a goverment of their own (making the laws), we indeed are here legally. If you dont descend from the blood of the settlers, then you descend from somebody who more then likely came into this country legally. Therfore the argument that Native Americans are the only legal residents is wrong
And you wonder why the world hates us? Because people like you value your money over other peoples lives. It's because of your god damn quota that they have to enter illegally. There's no other way. You point out the wages, who the hell wouldn't do anything for a better life? No compassion, viewing all illegals as violent wastes of life, unfunny ytmnd, save your political bullsh*t and step off your soapbox.
what reforms do you suggest? post people with machine guns at the border and shoot everyone who tries to come over? (i'm sure a bunch of pasty crackers on this site who never leave their basements would love that) or should we actually make an effort to integrate these people into society so that they can contribute to the economy and pay taxes without having to worry about being shipped back to el sh*thole? or should the developed countries of the world stop gang raping underdeveloped nations economically?
Although I'm sure that the percents on this are innacurate, it still makes a vaild point that.
It's sad that so many people these days dont know their heritage or even care about what's happening in the world around them. Yes, it's not as entertaining as other YTMND's, but still, thats not a reason for a one star.
Immigration is what built this country. However, if our families simply expected free handouts, care, and overall ride, our country would be no where near what it is today
My folks come from India and worked their asses off to get where they are now. Expecting any immigrant, legal or illegal, to have a 'free ride' hurts everyone *including* themselves- how do you teach your children to be successful and self sustaining if you yourself could not do it? However, just blocking them off solves nothing either
Now that is f*cking racist Omega, i have 5 members in my family, all of them speak very good english. My father has a Bachelors on English-as-a second Language, my mother also has the same bachelor as my father, my Brother has a Bachelors on British Literature, and my sister has a Bachelors on Computer Information Systems, and i'm attending a school ON THE AMERICAN SIDE OF THE BORDER, and guess what, every member of my family got a bachelor on an American University. So take that!
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