Muslims Against Terrorism
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1. I guess Sura 9:5 doesnt exsist or 9:29 or 9:123 or 9:14, 8:39, 8:65, 2:193, 4:73-76, 4:84, the list goes on
2. Where in the New Testament does it say to kill people?
3. How many Christians have you seen killing people while quoting the Bible?
4. Muhammad was evil, he fought and killed people which Jesus didnt do, he had an overall total of 11 wives while Jesus had none, and had a 9 year old wife named Aisha, that shows you how sick he was.
1. I guess Sura 9:5 doesnt exsist or 9:29 or 9:123 or 9:14, 8:39, 8:65,
2:193, 4:73-76, 4:84, the list goes on"
9:5 has to do with people who broke peace treaties with the Muslims and started attacking them first, the verse before that even emphasizes that even though one peoples may brake a treaty, don't go to war with people who still have treaties. Same deal with the other ones in the same chapter. The verses preceding them show it. I don't see what's wrong with it, "And fight them on until there is no
ore tumult or oppression upon you"
Keep fighting until you've stopped being persecuted. It also goes on to say that if they stop oppresing you then you stop fighting. To 8:65, when it was clear the Quaraysh (The tribe oppressing the muslims) wouldn't hold back, and that war was soon to break out. It was sure that the Muslims would be outnumbered (and they were 3:1), so God commanded Muhammad to rouse their spirits. What's wrong with 2:193 "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and
and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."
It seems pretty logical to me, if someone is oppressing you then fight them, and only them until they stop.
Again, 4:73-4:76 says, "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee
one who will help!" (4:75)
That string of verses says people who fight for the oppresed will be greatly rewarded. Since when is that wrong?
2. "Where in the New Testament does
it say to kill people?"
There's tons in the New Testament http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt.html
But, probably, like the Quran, those verses are taken way out of context.
3. "How many Christians have you seen killing
people while quoting the Bible?"
Quite a bit, the Freedomites, the KKK, God's Army, Eric Rudolph th
4. "Muhammad was evil, he fought and
killed people which Jesus didnt do, he had an overall total of 11 wives
while Jesus had none, and had a 9 year old wife named Aisha, that shows you how sick he was."
Well, lets go part by part, first the claim that Muhammad killed people but Jesus didn't, so Muhammad must be evil. Muhammad's message wasn't out by the time the people in charge came to flog him and torture him and his followers. He fled to Medina, where he stood up for himself against the people tortur
his followers. Since when does standing up for people considered evil? The second claim that Muhammad was evil because he had 11 wives, while Jesus had none.
Muhammad and Jesus lived in different societies, in different cultures and in different times, many marriages in Muhammad's times were considered normal for political purposes. If you look at the list of wives, most of them were political marriages, including Aisha (who could have been anywhere from 9-14). She was the daughter of Muhammad's greatest
lol, the moment stupid arabs stop blamming christians for the crusades over almost a thousand years after, we will stop blamming islam for terrorism, starting 100years after they stop f*cking complaining about everything, seriously these people can do nothing wrong, it is always America and Isreal's fault that they live in poverty because they are governed by a theocracy, and the moment we go in and try to change that, they START COMPLAINING MORE, these f*cking people just cant shut up
' lets say..two thousand muslims did terrorism....100 million
didn't..yes that obviously is the majority of all muslims...please...go
f*ck a turtle.' Your the one whos clueless, it wouldn't be a problem if only a very small minority of islam was violent. Islam is a cancer of this world, one that spreads into an area, infests it, and changes law/policy around their religion. France is a prime example of what happens when your too 'tollerant'. So you can take that turtle and shove it up mohammed's ass.
I'm agnostic, not christian. However its laughable you'd compare the two, down there they'll stone a woman if shes raped (thats right, not the rapist who raped her, its *her* fault she was raped). They make all women cover their bodies (and kill them if they don't), men have the right to kill women in their family if they 'shame' them. F*ck islam and f*ck you ignorant bastards who will continue to bend over for it in the name of 'tollerance'.
^You know, you have an uncanny spelling of the word "tollerance"...Ah yes, most anti-Islamic websites spell it that way. Coincedence? Or do you not know enough about the meaning of the word to be able to spell it?
Seriously, your argument is flawed. At least these other guys brought some shred of an argument to back up their statements. Just because you say a women must be killed in Islam if she doesn't cover herself doesn't make it true.
Complete load of crap btw, there are many parts of the koran that command the death of unbelievers. I could care less what any of you say, your actions speak for you. Stop beating women, stop trying to impose islamic law on the world, stop destroying buddhist monuments, stop beheading and killing innocent people, FFS stop blowing yourselves up on innocent children, and maybe people would take you more seriously. GD Terrorists.
Naskh has nothing to do with this. And, you can say that Muhammad ordered the killings of thousands of people, but unless you cite an incident then there's no debate. I could just as easily say that you personally ordered the killings of thousands of people, and that statement would have as much validity as yours.
Are you serious? Surely you would not say the same if I made the same claim of say, Stalin. But since you insist, there were the men taken prisoner at Badr (including one who cried out for his children at the point of execution), a mother of five (stabbed to death for questioning Mohammed’s claim to be a prophet), dozens of Jewish citizens, including poets and merchants who were accused of mocking Islam, numerous adulterers, at least one slave girl, 800 Qurayza men and boys taken captive and beheaded
Sorry for the delayed response, I haven't been checking back to this site for a looong time. To adress your points:
1.) No, I would not say the same about Stalin because there is actual evidence that proves what he did. None of the points you made in that statement were backed up by evidence.
Now to adress your other points, it appears you copied and pasted them because I've seen that exact same argument from most Anti-Islam people, but I'll still address them:
The person you mentioned who was executed as he was crying out for his children was one of two men murdered by angry soldiers (not executed on the orders of Muhammad) for dumping sheep excrement on Muhammad. You have to understand that the soldiers on the Muslim side were men who were persecuted, harrased, driven out of their homes, and murdered by the Meccans and the Quaraysh for what they believed in. I'm not excusing the actions, but they are understandable.
As for the mother of five, are we talking about the same woman who conspired to kill Muhammad? As for the other vague descriptions, it would help to know who specifically you are talking about. With regards to "dozens of Jewish citizens, including poets and merchants who were accused of mocking Islam, numerous adulterers, at least one slave girl" Who exactly are you reffering to? Its hard to argue against your vague statements.
As for the 800 Quarayza executed (something disputed by historians), whenever Muhammad judged a case regarding Jews, he referred to the Torah for punishment, and as treason was their crime, supposedly execution was their punishment as laid out in the Torah.
And to say that Muhammad started the war with the Meccans is ludicrous. As I'm sure you know, and as I said before, the Muslims were persecuted to a horrendous degree in Mecca, and the Meccans sought to kill them wherever they fled.
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