ring of fire
posted by max on August 18, 2006 at 12:05:10 PM
hey pals,
you may have noticed ytmnd has been flapping a lot in the last few days. it seems someone has been ddosing us. my isp has been great about filtering it, but it's still going on.
in other news, i'm rolling out some neat stuff very soon, and the designer promised to have the new ytmnd design on Wednesday.
if you have some network know-how, please read more!
I've taken a 2 minute snapshot of what's remaining of the DDOS, and I put the log up here. If you consider yourself cybersleuths, infiltrate this drone net and figure out where it's hosted/who's running it. god knows the fbi would take months.
If anyone knows anything about the source of the ddos, please send me an email or private message. thanks buddies.
you may have noticed ytmnd has been flapping a lot in the last few days. it seems someone has been ddosing us. my isp has been great about filtering it, but it's still going on.
in other news, i'm rolling out some neat stuff very soon, and the designer promised to have the new ytmnd design on Wednesday.
if you have some network know-how, please read more!
I've taken a 2 minute snapshot of what's remaining of the DDOS, and I put the log up here. If you consider yourself cybersleuths, infiltrate this drone net and figure out where it's hosted/who's running it. god knows the fbi would take months.
If anyone knows anything about the source of the ddos, please send me an email or private message. thanks buddies.
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The thing is, a lot of these ddos attacks aren't actually done by people who even know they are doing it. Most ddos attacks are the result of virus/worm propogation and are created through unpatched servers, most running IIE or windoze xp, and then used to proxy the attack. That is the heart of any ddos attack. My workplace deals with spammers quite often who have huge bot nets, and when one gets blocked they simply rotate the old one out and rotate a new set of bots in.
Some things that do work are limiting the max number of tcp sessions at the switch/router level automatically. NATing though will require you to set up whitelists of ips for proxies. Another thing to consider would be blocking requests on the http level, so that the same ip requesting the same url over and over is auto blocked for a set duration of time. We have several solutions like this but everything I know of isn't an out of the box thing, it's all in house code written to do this. Anyone have or know a product/plugin/something that has similar capabilities?
Death-Incarnate actually. That account I also deleted seeing as I had nothing to give to the YTMND "community". I just want the IP tracker out nof the forums, or at least a way to reverse it's effects. It doesn't belong there at all. I'm sick of the test run max is giving it in the forums. It works well enough, just put it on the frontpage/safe for work forums and leave it out of the not safe for work forums.
most voted on is meant to be somewhat static, it's meant to show the highly rated sites that got knocked off the up and coming. I'm trying to provide some continuation here so that sites dont just have gigantic spots of not being shown for no apparent reason.
As for the IP tracker, I cleared the IP list, if you've already managed to ban yourself again, good riddance, this time its permanent and I'm not taking it off. You had fair warning. There is absolutely no reason for you to need 3 accounts on the forums.
i have no opinion on the top15 change :/ - if it turns out that only those 6 sites get any views, well like all top15's before it, its the fault of the people who click those sites and only those sites. so long as top voted isnt just a repeat of top rated, fine. Also, bananashenanigans.ytmnd.com is the worst Dew Army site of all time.
Weighted algorithm for voting: 1| Users with no sites = vote is not counted, or is 25% the strength of normal users. 2| Users with a site average of less than 3.00 = vote is 50% the strength of normal users. 3| Users with a site average of above 3.00 have normal voting strength. (they should have at least 2 sites that comprise the average, not just one).
^see, thats crap, and just another example of why we dont have it yet. noone would agree, and for good reason. going by length of time on site = "elitism", going by site rating ensures people will downvote openly even less or get alt accounts for downvoting so their 'real' account can be worth more... i still think the biggest solution to YTMNDs various problems is a paid registration fee for all like the SomethingAwful forums - it keeps quality higher and lowers the amount of trolls/gimmicks, but that probably ain't gon ever happen.
...how about this, voters that only downvote, or have a greater sum of 1 stars than another other vote, lose their strength of the vote by 50%. Same with voters who only upvote, lose it by 50% also. ---> Then an algorithm can be based on the spread of your own votes, and everyone's vote would be the average of that.
I'm sure this system is crap too, but: votes don't start counting until you've voted on 25 sites. The more your average vote spread is equal for all 5 stars, the more your votes actually count as their perceived value. Alt accounts would be worthless, as these accounts would only have 1 star votes or something, and as such the actual value of these 1 stars is diminished. This would also render sexymofo incapable of anything, which is always a good idea.
Democracy is serious business. I believe that something can be implemented to counteract irresponsible voting. I like what everyone is saying = As a user begins to vote, his/her's vote history becomes an equation. The vote they cast would be a normal vote if they spread their votes evenly enough. Is this possible?
I think YTMND is good as it is now actually, the new update for top viewed section will just take some getting used to. One addition that would be cool is an "anonymous option" when editing or creating a site. This would hide the site creator's name, and the anonymous site would also not appear publically in user profile - it would only be visible to the creator. The user may edit this option back to normal at any time though. Lastly, it might be fun to award 10 "ytmnd credits" to the user with the most 5 star votes at the end of each month. Each credit = $ 1.00 of sponsorship. These credits can be saved up, self-sponsored, or sponsored on any other site in ytmnd.
Opps, I hit submit by mistake. Might wanna fix that, Max. Anywho! I did some googling, and found that the majority of these proxies are coming from the US. (Big surprise.) With a few proxies coming from our neighbor to the south. (Mexico) They're probably the same f*gs that got us off the SoaP contest.
Forgot to mention: There should be more moderators, and an option for all users to report spam, stolen material, bad sites, etc.. These reports should be visible by all mods, who will have the ability to delete sites, and to "lock" (not ban) bad users from access for a week/month/etc, so that they can only view sites but can't vote, comment, or create their own site YTMND itself should always remain free to use and view to the general public.. the free access is what makes it popular.
Thanks nutnics. The reason I suggest "anonymous option" is because well-known users might want to receive unbiased feedback for their ideas rather than "fanboy" votes or "revenge downvotes". To answer about the credits, the admin would have to provide these, much in the way that max sponsored $ 20.00 with the old mod favorites many months ago. Also, maybe users could purchase credits as gifts for birthday presents. I mean, most people would rather have 10 credits to use at their disposal than to have one of their random sites sponsored as a gift.
"As for the IP tracker, I cleared the IP list, if you've already managed to ban yourself again, good riddance, this time its permanent and I'm not taking it off. You had fair warning." Fair warning is not absence of a warning completely. A simple sticky thread or announcement would have been very nice and taken up only a few minutes of your precious time. And also very many forum residents knew what was going on. In fact the general consensus was that the IP tracker was down.
"Lastly, it might be fun to award 10 "ytmnd credits" to the user with the most 5 star votes at the end of each month. Each credit = $ 1.00 of sponsorship. These credits can be saved up, self-sponsored, or
sponsored on any other site in ytmnd." Indeed. Maybe the big wigs that will get them so overly often can use them to prop up a good newbie. Not every 06er deserves to GTFO, but that's just my opinion.
nutnics, i have my reasons behind that thinking. since the top rated sites are SO highly rated now, and its usually fad tributes a) we can see some top rated sites that ARENT and b) maybe a little bit of that 'top rated rethink' attitude people USED to have when they see whats among the highest rated sites might return... maybe 30 is too much, but it should probably be a bit more than 5.
anyways, i'm just glad to see things constantly changing, even if in the short term some ideas dont work so well. I've already forgotten YTMND Spy completely - anyone else? a better search feature might be the top of my wish list. especially now that even more sites exist, its harder for users to check if a certain site idea has been done before... for the sake of future clutter i care more about that than whether someone who posted at the right time of day gets another couple hundred views on their site.
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